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Old 08-09-2017, 03:34 PM   #136
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I missed all your posts when the markets were setting records the past 6 months. Each index is not even down a half a percentage point today, and here you are.

It was said tongue in cheek, mostly, to point out how the right used to blame everything, and I do mean everything, on Obama. The ruffling of feathers was enjoyed as lagniappe.
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I missed all your posts when the markets were setting records the past 6 months. Each index is not even down a half a percentage point today, and here you are.

It was said tongue in cheek, mostly, to point out how the right used to blame everything, and I do mean everything, on Obama. The ruffling of feathers was enjoyed as lagniappe.
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It's an amazing thing to witness people's elation over stock market success as their "leader" provokes someone whom those same people believe is a nuclear armed lunatic.
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Y'all think Trump even knows that Guam is a US territory that houses a ton of Naval, Coast Guard and Air Force personnel?

I honestly wonder if he does.
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Someone will be explaining it shortly. Then watch for the "who knew?" tweet. Because, clearly, if Trump didn't know something, then nobody else knew it either.
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It was said tongue in cheek, mostly, to point out how the right used to blame everything, and I do mean everything, on Obama. The ruffling of feathers was enjoyed as lagniappe.
I disagree with your premise that Obama was blamed for everything, but the MSM as a whole didn't blame Obama for anything. Not bad foreign policy, not deteriorating race conditions across the US, not anti-police sentiment, not poor economic growth, not poor AA employment, etc.

Let's suspend reality and take your premise as true. Obama did everything bad but shoot Lincoln. You demonstrate you can be just as petty as "the right".
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I disagree with your premise that Obama was blamed for everything, but the MSM as a whole didn't blame Obama for anything. Not bad foreign policy, not deteriorating race conditions across the US, not anti-police sentiment, not poor economic growth, not poor AA employment, etc.

Let's suspend reality and take your premise as true. Obama did everything bad but shoot Lincoln. You demonstrate you can be just as petty as "the right".
He didnt say "MSM"

he said the "Right".

So your disagreement and everything after it is , well, a strawman.
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He didnt say "MSM"

he said the "Right".

So your disagreement and everything after it is , well, a strawman.
I offered a counter argument, not a strawman. Are you that obtuse?
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I disagree with your premise that Obama was blamed for everything, but the MSM as a whole didn't blame Obama for anything. Not bad foreign policy, not deteriorating race conditions across the US, not anti-police sentiment, not poor economic growth, not poor AA employment, etc.

Let's suspend reality and take your premise as true. Obama did everything bad but shoot Lincoln. You demonstrate you can be just as petty as "the right".
Since the beginnings of this country, we've had good and bad foreign policy. What foreign policies were bad under Obama, and not under Bush and now Trump?

Deteriorating race conditions? Overall I think their better, but now that we're all connected online, we all get to see the pockets of stupidity. But, which way do you mean it? Are black people attacking white people for racist reasons? Are they burning down Starbucks' and the Gap? Or is it that most races (white, black, brown), don't like black and brown people? If a white person goes into a church and kills around a dozen black church goers, how is it the black president's fault? How if he responsible? Sorry for being black and triggering the little white racist?

Anti-police sentiment? So, have you forgotten the 60's, 70's, the late 80's early 90's (cop killer, LA riots, Rodney King beating)? The rash of publicized police shootings of unarmed black people (ok, some were in questionable legal action, and others were terrible mistakes and paranoia by police). That's not he presidents fault. He called for calm, but at the same time, you can't just tell the police, they did nothing wrong. I know plenty of cops and one new shiny detective. They often use these situations and training moments in their own departments.

Poor economic growth? It's been upward. And I've already shown graphics that while our %GDP growth is a bit lower, it's about what it has been pre-recession, and it's because our actual GDP is about double of everyone elses, or triple. So, 1% growth for us, is like 3-5% growth in Germany. Even China's growth started to taper off. Wage growth is an issue, but that's likely because of various factors that are only partially controlled by government. However, the Dow, S&P, and overall markets have rebounded quite nicely after they hit bottom a year or two into Obama's presidency. Is Obama to blame for the opioid epidemic that makes it harder to find good able bodied workers? I guess you can say he should have pushed more to make it a federal emergency, like they tried to get Trump to do with the panel recommendation, and he decided not to.

companies are sitting on tons of cash, why aren't they paying people better?

There were plenty of less than flattering reports on Obama. The major difference is that he didn't go to Twitter to complain about bad press or say stupid things off the cuff. Most of Trump's negative press is pointing out lies, and his rants on twitter, and his inability to staff government positions, and people not being able to properly fill out disclosure forms.

The only policy discussion we've been able to have is on immigration (half and half, but poorly implemented), Healthcare (congress **** the bed, and Trump provided little to no leadership), and an SC nomination. Now we'll have N. Korea to talk about, and hopefully it's not a ******* disaster.
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I offered a counter argument, not a strawman. Are you that obtuse?
"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent."

They argued that the right blamed Obama for everything,, as well as pointing out that they were mostly joking.. and you countered with a discussion on the Main Stream Media being soft for a dozen items. It's not really a counter. I guess you didn't even refute anything, you just brought up a bunch of un-relating items as it was some sort of counter. However, it's the impression of a counter, but using items not even in the argument.

I'd judge it as a strawman.

Now, you disagreed with the assertion that the right blamed Obama for everything, however you offered no evidence of such claim. Most of us have strong memories of Hannity and O'Reilly having an almost daily complaint about the Obama Admin, as well as many Fox News pieces on it. Now, is it "everything" or "almost everything". Sure, split that hair to 'almost', but the sentiment was there. Now, I can't say how The Hill, National Review, and WSJ were on Obama on a daily basis.. I'm sure they were a bit more actually 'fair and balanced'. Just as they are now, in at times criticizing Trump and other times defending him.

I do think news becomes a bit too editorial, but aren't we all smart enough to read through it and judge for ourselves?
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Here you have a guy who has no government experience, and he’s in charge of the whole thing,” Kushner said, in an interview with Fox News. “It’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard of.”


Jared Kushner Calls Kim Jong-un

ETA: It was a humor article and my bs filter needs work
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Is he talking about Trump or Lil'Kim? Kim wasn't elected in any sense of an election. Not only is he full of it, he is wrong on a couple points


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I have a hard time believing someone would say something this stupid:


Jared Kushner Calls Kim Jong-un
Good god.

edit: Oops, satire.
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"I do think news becomes a bit too editorial, but aren't we all smart enough to read through it and judge for ourselves?
Since the election, I have my reservation about how "smart" we are. I know quite a few educated people who buy into what I believe are obvious conman tricks. Promises like building a wall and the other guy will pay for it. Phony charities used for self dealings. Obvious bribery that was unintentional due to a mistaken identity. Renegotiating non existent trade deals. A personality shown to be unfit by his opponent for the highest office in front of a national audience. The list goes on and on. Yet here we are. Most of what's happening wasn't just predicted but loudly warned. Even by many republicans.

What I'm getting at is responsible editorial from the media and those who are well acquainted with policy isn't a bad thing. I would prefer a more paternalistic media such as that of the british system where both views are laid out to their audience. But even they are subjugated to this media for viewers/readers dominance as brexit has shown.

Ironically, in what seems to be unlimited access to news, I'm certain we all prune our sources to a handful. I certainly do. Unfortunately, some cling to radical sources that don't care to be responsible. I'll share an example. I had to swap cars for a few days with someone. When I got my car back, the first thing I heard after turning on the engine was the guy on the radio railing at how destructive Obama was. There wasn't any evidence laid out as to why that was the case. Just pure rage within less than a minute I had it on to pull out of the driveway. I guess engaging the audience's emotion is a much better sale than their intellectual side.
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Since the election, I have my reservation about how "smart" we are. I know quite a few educated people who buy into what I believe are obvious conman tricks. Promises like building a wall and the other guy will pay for it. Phony charities used for self dealings. Obvious bribery that was unintentional due to a mistaken identity. Renegotiating non existent trade deals. A personality shown to be unfit by his opponent for the highest office in front of a national audience. The list goes on and on. Yet here we are. Most of what's happening wasn't just predicted but loudly warned. Even by many republicans.

What I'm getting at is responsible editorial from the media and those who are well acquainted with policy isn't a bad thing. I would prefer a more paternalistic media such as that of the british system where both views are laid out to their audience. But even they are subjugated to this media for viewers/readers dominance as brexit has shown.

Ironically, in what seems to be unlimited access to news, I'm certain we all prune our sources to a handful. I certainly do. Unfortunately, some cling to radical sources that don't care to be responsible. I'll share an example. I had to swap cars for a few days with someone. When I got my car back, the first thing I heard after turning on the engine was the guy on the radio railing at how destructive Obama was. There wasn't any evidence laid out as to why that was the case. Just pure rage within less than a minute I had it on to pull out of the driveway. I guess engaging the audience's emotion is a much better sale than their intellectual side.
I agree with this overall assessment far more than my earlier quip shows. I meant we as in this board.

I think Jon Stewart said it best years ago as a guest on Cross-Fire, how CNN, and shows like Cross-Fire that just re-parroted the emotional lines of policy, vs teaching people or furthering the discussion to somewhere of an educated area, was hurting America.

I think our news, has become more like our people.. more impatient, more prone to hyperbole. I'd love a tutorial and parental media. AT times, I do find myself heading to BBC news to get a different outlook on situations.

I actually have BBC and NPR as my only daily news from my Amazon Echo. I don't need the 24/7 editorial of Fox News, or the 24/7 SHINY OBJECTS, FEAR FEAR FEAR from CNN, and I never really got into MSNBC.

The MSM needs to become a better teacher.

At the same token, people need to know what's an article, a real story, and just some garbage someone typed up. I hate seeing things that sounds like a news article about some hot button thing, but if you actually read it and think about it, they often omit certain key details. Dates. A title. An author. Locations.

Who?
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