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Old 09-27-2017, 03:23 PM   #151
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Browse that list and see if you notice a trend such as 'conservative christian'. The hate is mostly coming from them. To lash out at the one example of leftist fighting back is very telling of your mindset. The alt right has it's own radio station and president supposedly backed by God himself. There's no equivalency to that on the left.

You seem to be grasping at any straws that uphold your point of view. Please do some more research and ask yourself truly, what would Jesus do.
The SPLC is a Leftist organization with blood on their hands. One lunatic emboldened by their stance shot up the offices of the Family Research Council.
The shooter, Floyd Lee Corkins, admitted that he wanted to "kill as many as possible and smear the Chick-Fil-A sandwiches in victims’ faces, and kill the guard" after he saw the FRC listed on the SPLC's website as a "hate group."

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Old 09-27-2017, 03:32 PM   #153
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Cherry-picking AGAIN.

The full quote, with the context you intentionally did not quote:



Sarah Palin's self-defense does not qualify as an actual defense. Try again. The "others" that defended her are...? The quote is behind a paywall, so no way to know for sure. Regardless, this was a crazy guy shooting a democratic politician, exactly like the crazy guy who shot a republican politician. It's not a false equivalency. It's an equivalency.
Many candidates including Democrats have used the crosshairs graphic to identify "targeted" political agendas. Yet, Palin was chosen as motivation for the shooting. Of course that was proven false. Thus, a false equivalency.

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A false equivalency is when one side is a group of nazis and drives a car into people protesting said nazism and the president says "there were good people on both sides."
Many of those Nazis were former Occupy Wallstreeters. You Leftists here desperately try to link those idiots with the Trump base of support.

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Feel free to search the Charlottesville thread for mr. t's denouncement of right-wing terrorism. You won't find it because you Trump voters are too blind to see it.
Get the board out of your eye before addressing the speck in mine.
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Old 09-27-2017, 03:37 PM   #154
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Obviously we can't count the people who say they are on the right and against the left in this accounting b/c that will invalidate my point... amirite?
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Many of those Nazis were former Occupy Wallstreeters. You Leftists here desperately try to link those idiots with the Trump base of support. .
The Nazis in Charlottesville pretty much said they were Trump supporters... nothing desperate. Why do you think David Duke came out and basically said -- hey, we voted for you don't turn your back on me now.

And actually a fair number of Occupy Wallstreet did vote for Trump over Hillary since they believed Hillary (and Obama) were in Wallstreet's back pocket.
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Then it sounds like you have to own the KKK, Neo Nazi's, and other White Supremacy groups that organized and attended the Unite the Right event that clearly wasn't a "liberal" movement.

I wish you saw the point I was driving towards, but alas.
The KKK, of course born out the the Democratic Party, is a minuscule part of today's hate landscape. They don't even register on the national scale. Certainly not as much as when Robert C Byrd was cavorting around in his robe and hood. Btw, those idiots are on the Left of the political spectrum. Nazi's were Socialists and hated capitalism. I don't own them at all.

The time is now for the leaders of the Democrat party (Bernie, Nancy, Chuck) to disown the Antifa violent group and declare them a domestic terrorist organization. Would you be in favor of that?
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This sort of thing is not hard to find...

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The KKK, of course born out the the Democratic Party, is a minuscule part of today's hate landscape. They don't even register on the national scale. Certainly not as much as when Robert C Byrd was cavorting around in his robe and hood. Btw, those idiots are on the Left of the political spectrum. Nazi's were Socialists and hated capitalism. I don't own them at all.

The time is now for the leaders of the Democrat party (Bernie, Nancy, Chuck) to disown the Antifa violent group and declare them a domestic terrorist organization. Would you be in favor of that?
Not sure if Antifa is organized enough to be called a terrorist organization... but it would be fine to disown them as a violent group.

But seriously, if you're going to go with the logic of "hey the Nazi's were Socialists and hated capitalism (which isn't true... they hated communism)", then you have to say Antifa are anarchists who hates fascism -- so by your logic, they don't belong on the left, right?
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The Nazis in Charlottesville pretty much said they were Trump supporters... nothing desperate. Why do you think David Duke came out and basically said -- hey, we voted for you don't turn your back on me now.
Yes, but so what? Trump did not win with their votes. Trump has denounced Duke recently as well as years ago. Trump won with or without the Duke vote.

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And actually a fair number of Occupy Wallstreet did vote for Trump over Hillary since they believed Hillary (and Obama) were in Wallstreet's back pocket.
Yep, but some republicans voted for Hillary because they hated Trump. Strange times.
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Yes, but so what? Trump did not win with their votes. Trump has denounced Duke recently as well as years ago. Trump won with or without the Duke vote.

Yep, but some republicans voted for Hillary because they hated Trump. Strange times.
Right... the point is that you are trying to pin Antifa on the "Left" while giving a pass to the Nazis and white supremacists on the "Right". For the last several pages you've pretty much denied any connection between hate groups linked with the right while holding up Antifa as the great boogeyman...

There are idiots everywhere of all political persuasions... it's part of human nature.

As far as the stats are tracked, if you track politically motivated attacks -- attacks motivated by right wing ideology out number the attacks motivated by left wing ideology.
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The KKK, of course born out the the Democratic Party, is a minuscule part of today's hate landscape. They don't even register on the national scale. Certainly not as much as when Robert C Byrd was cavorting around in his robe and hood. Btw, those idiots are on the Left of the political spectrum. Nazi's were Socialists and hated capitalism. I don't own them at all.

The time is now for the leaders of the Democrat party (Bernie, Nancy, Chuck) to disown the Antifa violent group and declare them a domestic terrorist organization. Would you be in favor of that?
Nazis were not socialists (don't let their name fool you):

https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi...chbery-7900001


KKK was founded in 1865, that's right around the time the Democratic and Republican parties switched ideologies:
https://www.livescience.com/34241-de...platforms.html

Robert Byrd also left the KKK and denounced them spending the rest of his life making amends and was praised by the NAACP.


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Not sure if Antifa is organized enough to be called a terrorist organization... but it would be fine to disown them as a violent group.

But seriously, if you're going to go with the logic of "hey the Nazi's were Socialists and hated capitalism (which isn't true... they hated communism)", then you have to say Antifa are anarchists who hates fascism -- so by your logic, they don't belong on the left, right?
Hitler hated capitalism. Antifa claims they are against Fascism, but in their violent actions, they exude Fascism. It's complicated. If I champion free market Capitalism and own a business, and I petition I want government subsidies to expand my business, is that capitalism? I don't think so, but the media labels it crony capitalism.

Thank you for disowning Antifa.
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Hitler hated capitalism. Antifa claims they are against Fascism, but in their violent actions, they exude Fascism. It's complicated. If I champion free market Capitalism and own a business, and I petition I want government subsidies to expand my business, is that capitalism? I don't think so, but the media labels it crony capitalism.

Thank you for disowning Antifa.
I don't think you'll find any fans of Antifa here... I'm also pretty sure you'd find most of the people you'd label "leftist" here against censorship on campuses that has become prevalent.

Again, if you want to play the game of "hey these guys don't match up exactly with my understanding of the "right"" - then again you can't label Antifa a "leftist" group...

Also, in the political spectrum - fascism is considered to be "rightist", so if you are saying Antifa is "fascist", then are you saying Antifa is a "rightist" organization... :-)
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Right... the point is that you are trying to pin Antifa on the "Left" while giving a pass to the Nazis and white supremacists on the "Right". For the last several pages you've pretty much denied any connection between hate groups linked with the right while holding up Antifa as the great boogeyman...
I don't think your criticism is fair. I don't see the KKK as anything but small in numbers, small-minded, insignificant in the big picture. They simply can't influence many Americans in today's political environment.

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There are idiots everywhere of all political persuasions... it's part of human nature.
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As far as the stats are tracked, if you track politically motivated attacks -- attacks motivated by right wing ideology out number the attacks motivated by left wing ideology.
I don't believe it unless you play around with statistics. Roof was not motivated by politics. He was a hate-filled, mentally unstable kid. I'm going to assume (cough) his murders were filed under "right-wing" attacks.
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