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Old 09-28-2017, 11:49 PM   #1
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DOJ demands Facebook information from anti Trump administration activists

Just wanted to make sure people were aware of this. Sounds like Trump's digital version of Nixon's enemies list. I don't see how this is legally justified for the government to want this information solely on the basis of someone being an anti Trump activist.

DOJ demands Facebook info from 'anti-administration activists' - CNNPolitics

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Old 09-29-2017, 08:18 AM   #2
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The Administration needs to be "smarter" - use secret courts for your warrants.
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The Administration needs to be "smarter" - use secret courts for your warrants.
JimEverett... why?
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For whatever reason, Jim thinks this is something we shouldn't worry about, while FISA threatens each of us. I don't get the selectiveness, I would think he would be against this.
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For whatever reason, Jim thinks this is something we shouldn't worry about, while FISA threatens each of us. I don't get the selectiveness, I would think he would be against this.
Back at you, right?

I mean at least these people being targeted can defend a potentially illegal search.
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I understand your concern with FISA, I just realize that it is very limited in scope and has safeguards in place. When it comes to espionage we can't have total transparency, it's just not possible. So, instead of derailing this thread, how about telling us what you think about this move by the DOJ?

What could be a legitimate reason for wanting this information, in your opinion?
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I understand your concern with FISA, I just realize that it is very limited in scope and has safeguards in place. When it comes to espionage we can't have total transparency, it's just not possible. So, instead of derailing this thread, how about telling us what you think about this move by the DOJ?

What could be a legitimate reason for wanting this information, in your opinion?
This Facebook request has safeguards in place, right? So why worry? The government has safeguards and will protect us.
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Sigh, okay I will bow out, was hoping to stay on this topic.
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This Facebook request has safeguards in place, right? So why worry? The government has safeguards and will protect us.
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LOL.

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Because JimEverett....that's why.
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This Facebook request has safeguards in place, right? So why worry? The government has safeguards and will protect us.
What's illegal about citizens campaigning?

I get your forced point about FISA and this is why we shouldn't trust government, but I do think there is a difference between going through a judge, having actionable intel, vs whatever this is.
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And the chances of the FISA Court granting warrants based on being anti-Trump activists is just about ZERO.
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So you're using the fact that you read into and jumped to a conclusion from another incident to quickly make a judgment call on a completely different one.

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