I have lost all respect for the Executive Branch. (1 Viewer)

[blackadder]

I knew about the missiles in Turkey and part of the end of the crisis was the Soviets pulling their missiles out of Cuba in return us pulling our missiles out of Turkey. BTW this fact is left out of every textbook I've ever seen. My students get this in the form of notes and I will now pose this question to them. I'm not the type of teacher memorize this stuff. I try to get them to think for themselves and know there are two sides to every story.

Yes, it's left out. Always fascinated at that since it was understood as a (secret) part of the deal.

Left out because you can't fit a quid pro quo into the narrative of facing down the Red menace?

When this fact is brought up, the standard retort is "yeah, but those missiles were obsolete". Well, they got obsolete real quick between '61 - '62.

Technically, everybody's medium missiles were a bit obsolete as submarine lauched missiles were going into service on both sides. allowing your to sail up close and launch.

US puts missiles in Turkey, Soviets put missiles in Cuba. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Many things portrayed in the history books as purely aggressive, lack full context.

 

[rcajun90]

What's wrong with American Schools for $1000, Alex?

Actually Alex this is a private school. If I didn't know my stuff I would have been gone in a heartbeat and teaching at one of Louisiana's fine public schools. Why must you and others be so ugly?

 

[RazorOye]

Why must you and others be so ugly?

charity starts at home

you've spouted enough trollyworthy nonsense on these boards that leads me to believe that you aren't really about discourse or objectivity

so it's ridiculous for you to start the pity-party for yourself when you've exhibited an ignorant ugliness yourself. Once the criticism turns on you, however, the :crying: commences and all of a sudden you're concerned with this boards morality

rEEdiculous

 

[BlondeSaint]

Back on topic, I agree with the OP. The profanity used by President Obama and Vice President Biden is disrespectful to the positions they hold and a disrespect to prior Presidents and Vice Presidents. Also, it is just in poor taste and sets a poor example for the children of the United States.

 

[rcajun90]

Yes, it's left out. Always fascinated at that since it was understood as a (secret) part of the deal.

Left out because you can't fit a quid pro quo into the narrative of facing down the Red menace?

When this fact is brought up, the standard retort is "yeah, but those missiles were obsolete". Well, they got obsolete real quick between '61 - '62.

Technically, everybody's medium missiles were a bit obsolete as submarine lauched missiles were going into service on both sides. allowing your to sail up close and launch.

US puts missiles in Turkey, Soviets put missiles in Cuba. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Many things portrayed in the history books as purely aggressive, lack full context.

I couldn't agree more with you that a lot of things have been left out of History textbooks. The biggest problem is that it never ends. One book I have is 900 pages. Impossible to get through in a school year but I try my best. It was made in 1993 so the most pressing problem presented in it is the conflict in Bosnia. Like I said I knew about the missiles in Turkey but that wasn't given the proper time in my college courses and not even mentioned in any History textbook I have worked with. It makes it sound like the the Soviets just lost their nerve and backed down which doesn't sit well with most students. Most of the textbooks explain the back down as simply us having more nukes than the USSR which then begs the question how many do you need? I'm going to use this in my lecture next year. That's no BS.

 

[DadsDream]

Actually Alex this is a private school. If I didn't know my stuff I would have been gone in a heartbeat and teaching at one of Louisiana's fine public schools. Why must you and others be so ugly?

charity starts at home

you've spouted enough trollyworthy nonsense on these boards that leads me to believe that you aren't really about discourse or objectivity

so it's ridiculous for you to start the pity-party for yourself when you've exhibited an ignorant ugliness yourself. Once the criticism turns on you, however, the :crying: commences and all of a sudden you're concerned with this boards morality

rEEdiculous

There's another board here called Behind the Levee (BTL in your quick bar menu at the top).

It's a smack talk board where posters trade personal insults and generally act up just for the sake of acting up.

Occasionally, posters will bounce back and forth between there and here on the EE Board and they'll lose track of which board they're on.

There are also those who refuse to abide by general guidelines of civility and attempt to bring the mayhem of of the BTL Board to the EE Board. Sort of a "rules don't apply to me" mindset.

Then, there are those who deliberately seek to get a legitimate EE Board thread moved to the BTL Board.

They do this by launching non-stop personal attacks on the person with whom they disagree. Sometimes, a group of people who have similar opinions will attempt to do the same thing.

Their hope is that the thread will careen so far out of control and get so far over the top with personal insults, that the site managers have no choice but to either eliminate the thread entirely or move it Behind the Levee.

This constitutes defacto censorship.

 

[DadsDream]

I remember someone making a very personal attack on someone else on these boards not too long ago... demeaning them personally, their profession, their hobbies, etc just to make a point.

But it's okay when you do it, right? Now I can see why being rcajun's white knight appeals to you. Although the post above had nothing to do with my comment to him, considering it was about his posting history, habits, and hypocrisy.

what was it that we called it when someone posted something completely off topic and turned it into another victimologist cryfest with himself/herself at the center?

Hold on, I think it's on my other computer's boot screen - the one I use when I want to whine and cry and make it all about me.

Oh yea....

[/IMG]

This is the point where six people (who all post together Behind the Levee) join in and agree with you, then you come back and accuse me of making the thread all about me...even though the previous 18 posts were done by your buddies, not me.

No thanks.

I'm going to take my heart meds and zone out.

Good night.

 

[RazorOye]

This constitutes defacto censorship.

calling out the mods:

Unfortunately, there are academic folks in this world who sometimes seek to dismiss or discredit those who have actual experience in real world matters.

They live their lives vicariously. They read books about military intelligence and military actions. They play dress up at military reenactments, without ever actually serving in the military or in a military environment.

They're quick to condemn and dismiss those who have actually lived such a life, because that person has direct knowledge and they place more value on the information they've obtained from books.

It's the "I slept at a Holiday Inn" thing.

personal attacks:

There are also those who refuse to abide by general guidelines... Sort of a "rules don't apply to me" mindset.

indeed...

like someone who used to be a mod and still acts as if he is

 

[dtc]

Actually Alex this is a private school. If I didn't know my stuff I would have been gone in a heartbeat and teaching at one of Louisiana's fine public schools. Why must you and others be so ugly?

It was a joke. Of course, your attitude to anything that disagrees with you leaves me wondering about your aptitude for teaching. Heck, as I stated in my first response to your other thread, I think you tend to make thinly veiled racist comments.

NTTAWWT. sarcasm off.

 

[dtc]

I couldn't agree more with you that a lot of things have been left out of History textbooks. The biggest problem is that it never ends. One book I have is 900 pages. Impossible to get through in a school year but I try my best. It was made in 1993 so the most pressing problem presented in it is the conflict in Bosnia. Like I said I knew about the missiles in Turkey but that wasn't given the proper time in my college courses and not even mentioned in any History textbook I have worked with. It makes it sound like the the Soviets just lost their nerve and backed down which doesn't sit well with most students. Most of the textbooks explain the back down as simply us having more nukes than the USSR which then begs the question how many do you need? I'm going to use this in my lecture next year. That's no BS.

All kidding aside, I don't think there's enough time in the world for a teacher - even one with a Master's in History - to learn all there is to know. Teaching alternative views and more than what's in the text is the mark of a good teacher. Your personal opinions expressed here are just that and when we disagree it's between friends. My only hope is that you keep your personal opinions at bay while teaching the kids History unless it's about history rather than politics.

 

[RazorOye]

All kidding aside, I don't think there's enough time in the world for a teacher - even one with a Master's in History - to learn all there is to know. Teaching alternative views and more than what's in the text is the mark of a good teacher. Your personal opinions expressed here are just that and when we disagree it's between friends. My only hope is that you keep your personal opinions at bay while teaching the kids History unless it's about history rather than politics.

I found that a good first step is to chuck the textbook.

 

[67Bndwagnfan]

Yeah, but he was against abortion and gave tax cuts to billionaires in order to make the poor richer.

 

[rcajun90]

It was a joke. Of course, your attitude to anything that disagrees with you leaves me wondering about your aptitude for teaching. Heck, as I stated in my first response to your other thread, I think you tend to make thinly veiled racist comments.

NTTAWWT. sarcasm off.

Not liking what Obama is doing doesn't make me a racist. Blindly clapping for him because he is black does in fact make me a racist.

 

[feoinfunroe]

They created and supported Hamas. They call America "The Great Satan". The national chant is death to America. I have no problem calling them an enemy of the United States since 1979 when they held our people hostage with the blessing of the Islamic government.

How soon they forget
the Reagan-era scandal
called Iran-Contra

 

[rcajun90]

How soon they forget
the Reagan-era scandal
called Iran-Contra

I didn't forget the Iran-Contra scandal. The Reagan administration was funneling ammo and arms to anti - Communist guerrillas in Nicaragua. They were selling spare parts and weapons to our former ally in Iran during the Cold War. At the time it seemed like a smart considering there were communist revolutions going on in El Salvador at the time and it seemed all of Central America could turn communist. One thing you left out was the Democratic Congress refused to fund the Contras leaving Reagan little choice.