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from the Washington Post. What a sad world this can be.

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Jessica Valenti is one of the most successful and visible feminists of her generation. As a columnist for the Guardian, her face regularly appears on the site’s front page. She has written five books, one of which was adapted into a documentary, since founding the blog Feministing.com. She gives speeches all over the country. And she tells me that, because of the nonstop harassment that feminist writers face online, if she could start over, she might prefer to be completely anonymous. “I don’t know that I would do it under my real name,” she says she tells young women who are interested in writing about feminism. It’s “not just the physical safety concerns but the emotional ramifications” of constant, round-the-clock abuse.

This is a strange, contradictory moment for feminism. On one hand, there’s never been so much demand for feminist voices. Pop stars such as Beyoncé and Taylor Swift proudly don the feminist mantle, cheered on by online fans. After years when it was scorned by the mainstream press, the movement is an editorial obsession: Sheryl Sandberg’s “Lean In,” Lena Dunham’s “Not That Kind of Girl,” Roxane Gay’s “Bad Feminist” and Amy Poehler’s “Yes Please” occupy, and sometimes top, bestseller lists. “Stories about race and gender bias draw huge audiences, making identity politics a reliable profit center in a media industry beset by insecurity,” Jonathan Chait recently wrote in New York magazine — a proposition that would have been unthinkable a decade ago.

On the other hand, while digital media has amplified feminist voices, it has also extracted a steep psychic price. Women, urged to tell their stories, are being ferociously punished when they do. Some — particularly women who have the audacity to criticize sexism in the video-game world — have been driven from their homes or forced to cancel public appearances. Fake ads soliciting rough sex have been placed in their names. And, of course, the Twitter harassment never stops. “Being insulted and threatened online is part of my job,” Lindy West, formerly of Jezebel, recently said on “This American Life.” Adds Jamia Wilson, executive director of the feminist advocacy group Women, Action and the Media, “It really can affect the way that people feel about themselves.”

Feminists of the past faced angry critics, letters to the editor and even protests. But the incessant, violent, sneering, sexualized hatred their successors absorb is harder to escape. For women of color, racial abuse comes along with the sexism. “I have received racialized rape threats that I don’t think I would necessarily receive if I were white,” Wilson says. “A lot of things about anatomy — black women’s anatomy.” She talks about the online abuse in therapy. “There is trauma, especially related to the death and rape threats,” she says. Eventually, such sustained abuse ends up changing people — both how they live and how they work........................

Feminist writers are so besieged by online abuse that some have begun to retire - The Washington Post
 
Misogyny is very real and totally uncool to discuss, OP. Kudos for bringing it up, though.
 
Don't try to understand women. Women understand other women and hate them. That being said, I am raising my daughter to be both traditionalist and feminist ("well-rounded")
 
Don't try to understand women. Women understand other women and hate them. That being said, I am raising my daughter to be both traditionalist and feminist (or "well-rounded")

Women don't understand men either. And I don't mean that as a knock. But if I want to understand something about a man, I ask a man. Asking another woman is useless; and yet, that's what we do all the time.
 
Discourse on the internet is declining precipitously. And modern social media has made the hatred and ignorance much more difficult to tune out. The worst thing the internet ever did was give everyone a voice. It's readily apparent that there are those among us too full of hate and stupidity to deserve to be heard or acknowledged. And yet somehow, they have become the loudest voices of all.

I think it was James Cameron who once said the most wrong he'd ever been about something was about the internet. He believed it would connect the world and create a way to bridge gaps in culture, race, gender, etc. And, to his dismay, what actually happened was the opposite: it created countless echo chambers, where people could seek out like minded individuals and shut out everything they didn't agree with. And the result of that was increased hostility and extremism towards anyone that wasn't like-minded. This is one manifestation of that, but you see it in other ways, too. And the thing is, the logical, well thought out side is going to lose these kinds of interactions. You can't convince the loud, angry side to believe anything other than what they believe, and they're going to be able to make your day worse than you can make theirs, at least as far as the internet and social media go. It's really just a toxic, pathetic situation.
 
I don't think it's just the Internet that's responsible for giving everyone, including hate-filled, racist bigots, a voice. The 1st Amendment and the ideal, at least in theory, that the U.S. is a representative democracy which respects, and even tolerates all opinions, even reprehensible ones, play more crucial factors then a desktop computer. It just gave more extreme groups a more accessible tool to reach wider audiences. It's another example of unintended consequences of technology connecting many different people, cultures, societies worldwide everyday in a way unimaginable a century ago. And frankly, Sun, I'd much rather have our 1st Amendment warts and all flaws respecting free speech, than what's existed historically in some European countries like UK, France, where you can be fined for hate speech, especially how some politicians there have varying opinions on what that constitutes. Which is very frightening if you read between the lines and use your imagination a bit. I don't want some clever, agenda-driven politicians using hate speech as a pretext to water down the 1st Amendment, or gradually re-shape it to suit some elitist, partisan agenda limiting what there opponents can or cannot say in voicing valid complaints.
 
As far as the negative reactions towards feminists, part of the animosity, or venom that some have I think stems from a long-running misconception, maybe stereotypes about vocal feminists like Gloria Steinem, or Betty Friedman having vindictive, crass, confrontational personalities whether in their speeches or their rhetoric that gave the impression they hated men, or that men should feel uneasy around them made some men think that most feminists were like this, in one way or another.
For a long time, Sun, most people associated feminism with images of angry, unyielding radical women who burned bras, hated porn and there concept of patriarchy, and were condescending or disparaging towards men who didn't agree with them. Also the lack of vocal criticism from feminists of Bill Clinton cheating on his wife with intern in the late 90's left them with a credibility problems and led some to accuse them of being sellouts since Clinton was a Democrat. Also sometimes, feminist leaders in the 1970's and early 80's didn't help matters using aggressive, confrontational rhetoric in speeches. And in some respects, that attitude symbolizes liberal feminism, or second-wave feminists, which is very different and IMHO, less articulate than current post-modern feminism of 21st century, who are more nuanced, informative, and God forbid, more reasonable and less likely to give out the impression that all they do is beat drums, yell slogans, and scream annoying "bumper-sticker" rhetoric to get their messages across.
 
While nothing excuses harassment and threats of violence, and mysogynist rants that include references to female anatomy are just vile, I refuse to feel sorry for anyone who wrote for Jezebel.com. Seriously, that site is utter ****.
 
I never refer to myself as a feminist. I don't like other women speaking for me any more than I like men speaking for me.
 

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