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I don't get to watch the game today, so I was reminiscing about the Mora years. Of course Payton is the #1 coach around here, but how much separates him from Mora at this point? Perhaps the big strike against Mora is he couldn't win a playoff game in Indy either, but on the other hand we haven't seen Payton as a head coach anywhere else (without Brees). I will just look at what both accomplished with the Saints. Some might argue that Haslett ought to be thrown into the mix since he at least won a playoff game, but as I will later post, Payton and he did not have to face the strong NFC that Mora did.
Mora made it into his 11th season before the meltdown. Payton seems to be here at least for at least his 11th season (loss of 2012).
Mora brought the Saints to their first winning season, playoff appearance, and division title. Payton brought the Saints to their first conference championship and Super Bowl championship.
Mora's teams allowed the fewest points in the league in back to back seasons. Payton's teams scored the most points in the league in back to back seasons (interestingly not in 2011).
Mora had the best linebacking group ever for almost 8 of his seasons. Payton has had a HoF QB for all of his seasons.
Mora had a football for almost all of his seasons; he did not have the final say on personnel when Finks was here. Payton has had an accountant GM for almost all of his seasons; he should have the final say on personnel.
Mora's teams were built on franchise that had good defenses but bad offenses. Finks and he made them great defenses and at least solid offenses out of drafting and USFL pickups. Payton's teams were built with an excellent first year of drafting and the best free agency signing ever if also a huge risk.
Mora had the the 49ers the NFC West, winning three Super Bowls over his tenure plus thad the best record in the league in two others. Twice Mora's teams had a record that was better than all of the AFC but could not win the NFC West. Payton was able to get a first round bye with only 10 wins. Only the Panthers have made it to the Super Bowl out of the NFC South during his tenure.
Mora had four playoff seasons. Payton has five. Mora had two winning seasons that weren't playoff teams. Payton didn't win the division when a team with a losing record did.
Key personnel decisions were part of the downfall of both. Mora's teams had the disgruntled Hebert addressed poorly by the Walsh trade. Payton's teams have had bad free agent signings that were either cut causing dead money or under-performing if retained.
At the end of Mora's tenure, his teams reversed with good offenses and bad defenses as there were major personnel changes due to aging rosters and the beginning of free agency. Paytons teams have retained very good offenses (with the same HOF QB) but have had historically bad defenses.
I guess in closing, if Payton is #1, Mora #2, and Haslett #3, how far apart is it? Is Mora closer to Haslett or to Payton?
Mora made it into his 11th season before the meltdown. Payton seems to be here at least for at least his 11th season (loss of 2012).
Mora brought the Saints to their first winning season, playoff appearance, and division title. Payton brought the Saints to their first conference championship and Super Bowl championship.
Mora's teams allowed the fewest points in the league in back to back seasons. Payton's teams scored the most points in the league in back to back seasons (interestingly not in 2011).
Mora had the best linebacking group ever for almost 8 of his seasons. Payton has had a HoF QB for all of his seasons.
Mora had a football for almost all of his seasons; he did not have the final say on personnel when Finks was here. Payton has had an accountant GM for almost all of his seasons; he should have the final say on personnel.
Mora's teams were built on franchise that had good defenses but bad offenses. Finks and he made them great defenses and at least solid offenses out of drafting and USFL pickups. Payton's teams were built with an excellent first year of drafting and the best free agency signing ever if also a huge risk.
Mora had the the 49ers the NFC West, winning three Super Bowls over his tenure plus thad the best record in the league in two others. Twice Mora's teams had a record that was better than all of the AFC but could not win the NFC West. Payton was able to get a first round bye with only 10 wins. Only the Panthers have made it to the Super Bowl out of the NFC South during his tenure.
Mora had four playoff seasons. Payton has five. Mora had two winning seasons that weren't playoff teams. Payton didn't win the division when a team with a losing record did.
Key personnel decisions were part of the downfall of both. Mora's teams had the disgruntled Hebert addressed poorly by the Walsh trade. Payton's teams have had bad free agent signings that were either cut causing dead money or under-performing if retained.
At the end of Mora's tenure, his teams reversed with good offenses and bad defenses as there were major personnel changes due to aging rosters and the beginning of free agency. Paytons teams have retained very good offenses (with the same HOF QB) but have had historically bad defenses.
I guess in closing, if Payton is #1, Mora #2, and Haslett #3, how far apart is it? Is Mora closer to Haslett or to Payton?