Let's talk about the Browns...Watched them yesterday (2 Viewers)

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I had the misfortune of taking Pit -3.5 and watching them blow a two TD lead with 5 minutes left so I got a good look at the Browns. I streamed the game while having the Saints on TV.

Here's what I noticed.

1) Turnovers killed Pittsburgh. Not just a few but 6 (SIX) turnovers. Had Big Ben simply taken a few sacks instead of committing some pretty avoidable fumbles and bad INTs, they'd of won that game easily. He looked like a guy headed for retirement. Despite that, the Steelers STILL had a 2 TD lead late in the 4th before blowing it with yet another Roethlisberger fumble. He was running around outside the pocket when it happened.

2) Tyrod Taylor is not good. I know everyone is sure he's going to go for 400/4TDs on Sunday, but I wouldn't count on it. The rain hurt him, no doubt, but he's still the same guy he's always been. Extremely inaccurate down field. He was 15/40 overall. I simply do not expect him to do what Fitz did with the deep ball yesterday. They are totally different players.

3) Taylor can still run. He had 77 yards and that'll be his biggest threat.

4) Landry was Taylor's go to but the rest of the WRs were non-existent. Landry is an excellent intermediate WR but is not a big deep threat. It's at least possible that Lattimore can rebound and play well against a WR of his style.

5) The Brown's DL looked ok but Ben held onto the ball way too long most of the time.

6) The Browns were awful against the run. Especially on the outside. Kamara has every chance to have a field day.

7) The Browns CBs were beaten consistently but made plays on really badly thrown balls by Ben. Shuster got 113 in the rain and Brown got 93. And it's not like the Steelers couldn't run. As I pointed out, the Browns were awful against the run and Conner had 135 yards rushing.

8) The Browns, outside of Taylor scrambling, were really bad rushing the football. Honestly, their entire offense looked bad and it's the turnovers that saved them. It took six of those for them to pull out a tie.

9) The Browns were at home for this game.

10) It's worth nothing that the Browns nearly beat the Steelers last year in week 1.

11) The Browns acted like they'd just won the Superbowl after getting that tie. Guys were jumping up and down and celebrating on the field after the final stop on Pittsburgh. They expended a lot of emotional and physical energy in that game.

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What's all this mean? No one can really say with certainty. This is the NFL. Weeks 1 and 2 are notorious in the gambling world for being volatile for a reason. The Browns could come in and beat us on Sunday.

I can respect anyone who says that yesterday's game has you down and that you aren't sure who'll win. At the same time, some of the hot takes of the Browns destroying us are a bit much. They are a team full of issues that we can exploit. The old addage of avoiding turnovers will be key in this game. It'll be a totally different kind of game compared to the Bucs IMO.

Even a marginal improvement on defense against a better offensive matchup should produce good results. Or we may turn it over 5 times and lose. That's the NFL but the Saints are still more than capable of winning on Sunday. I think this team has earned the right to at least get through week 3 before pronouncing them dead. It's disappointing to see some of the reactions.
 
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We need lockdown both Tyrod Taylor & Landry. Possibly Josh Gordon as well. Our D must wake up in Week 2 after an embarrassing season opener. Lattimore was playing like a rookie. Crawley must bounce back before he becomes Jason David 2.5.
 
We need lockdown both Tyrod Taylor & Landry. Possibly Josh Gordon as well. Our D must wake up in Week 2 after an embarrassing season opener. Lattimore was playing like a rookie. Crawley must bounce back before he becomes Jason David 2.5.

Gordon didn't look good nor as fast as he used to be. BUT, that could change on turf indoors.

With that said, it's about the pass rush on Sunday. The balls Fitz completed were simply indefensible 85% of the time last week. High pointing a ball perfectly to Howard/Evans/Godwin, etc. You have to get pressure so that can't happen. The Browns OL is not good but that's no guarantee for the DL.

This is a game we should probably lean heavily on Kamara in. The Browns can't stop the run and Kamara is exactly the kind of back to exploit their weaknesses on the edges.
 
I watched this game (CLE-Pit) also and look at it this way. Fitz was the 2nd leading rusher yesterday in the Dome. Do you think Taylor will do any worse than that? The Saints better get their manure in one pile because losing to Cleveland at home will be the ultimate insult.
 
I watched this game (CLE-Pit) also and look at it this way. Fitz was the 2nd leading rusher yesterday in the Dome. Do you think Taylor will do any worse than that? The Saints better get their manure in one pile because losing to Cleveland at home will be the ultimate insult.

Fitz also threw for 400 yards. His rushing was only dangerous in that context.

Taylor will get rushing yards. It'll be what we do in all the other factors that matters the most.
 
Meh.... I kinda feel like I felt last season about this time right after the Vikes and Sam Bradford skull-drug our defense.....

I won't believe we can stop anyone... until we stop someone.

I took absolutely no positives from our defense in the loss to the Bucs... and no matter how good / bad the Browns offense seems to be... I expect them to corn-hole our defense this weekend... I need them to prove otherwise before I even get my hopes up.....

That's how bad they were this week....

Sorry I see no silver linings or hope for the future as of today....

 
Last time we faced Taylor we made him try and beat us with his arm and he got benched.

Hyde is nowhere near the level of Shady so that should be easy to do again.

Hopefully they wait until after the game to bench Taylor because Mayfield does have an arm and accuracy.
 
regardless their confidence is riding high, if they get a deep or quick score on the first drive against the saints, all bets are off... until shown otherwise i expect another shootout and taylor to have a career day....
 
You forgot to mention how dominant Myles Garrett looked. He's going to be a problem.

I don't think so. Our OL is simply excellent. The Bucs have a top 5 DL and for the most part, the OL still dominated them. Ben also held onto the ball way too long yesterday, trying to run around. Brees won't do that.

That's one of my areas of least concern.
 
I think the match ups are favorable. Our defense needs to be fired up and take nothing for granted.
 
I watched part of that game. And I came away thinking Garrett is a BEAST. The real deal. I didn't like those personal fouls they called on him. Thought it was ticky tack.

Agree that Tyrod Taylor is not good. When Baker Mayfield takes over, I think this team will be on the rise.
 
Is it to early to call it a trap game?

I think the Browns have the pieces to give us fits, and are strong enough to make it to the playoffs if they are smart enough.

The Browns are not sniffing the playoffs this year, whether they beat us or not. Their level of talent is being extremely overrated by over-reactionary takes on this board. Their OL is not good. Their DL has one above average player, no DT depth, and a nobody across from Garrett. Their running game is non-existent. Their secondary can be thrown on.

They had 6 turnovers yesterday and still should of lost at home if not for some incredibly dumb, unnecessary plays by Ben Roethlisberger late in the game. Even then, they only pulled out a tie.

If we lose to the Browns it'll be how they beat us the last few times. Fluky turnovers and inexcusable mistakes on our part.

Can that happen? Sure, it can. Not even gonna pretend we can't lose this game. But the Browns are not good and I'm not gonna gaslight that they are because we sucked last Sunday.
 

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