Taysom Hill's performance last night (and how it compares to Bridgewater's) (1 Viewer)

[texasjefe]

Taysom's demeanor is that he is growing into an NFL QB role. Teddy's demeanor is that even in a good run of play against the Vikings, he seems to lack an identity, with inconsistency and a bit of ADD in his play.

I just want to know that Taysom can improve his accuracy so that within either of his roles, gadget-option man or backup QB, he can complete chain-moving and explosive passes.

Teddy needs to improve his level of play, develop a presence and will, and settle down.

What stands out for me after two games is that the Saints again this year and even moreso have a strong arsenal of pass catching running backs. Only 12 targets to WR's against San Diego. You can dink and doink your way down the field, and these QB's should and will do that.

 

[Spylake]

What you have to remember, and Hill eluded to it in a local interview a week or so ago, is he spends less than half his time in the QB meeting room. He’s in the special teams meetings, and joins the RBs and WRs in meetings also.
During the training camp I went to, he spent 45 min doing special teams drills while Brees and Teddy were throwing.
I believe he knows the playbook, but just hasn’t had the time to get all the reps, both mental and physical because he is spread so thin focusing on what his main job will be during the regular season, at least for this year.

True but I still think it was the knowledge level of his players that defined the limits of his play calling not Taysom's.

 

[Spylake]

Out of curiosity I wonder how many Taysom specifice plays Payton has in his book of tricks.

 

[StudioSaint]

Bridgewater will always be, at best, a lesser version of Brees.

Taysom is something totally different. They can't be compared.

Post-Brees, I think we want something a little different. No one can live up to Brees.

And I think Peyton is intrigued with the challenge and versatility of Taysom versus just trying to find "the next Brees".

There is no "next Brees". Time to pivot.

(For what it's worth, I like Bridgewater and think he's an above average starter in the league.)

I agree. When we no longer have Brees, I'd like to see something different instead of a lessor version of Brees trying to run the same system that fit Brees. That's of course as long as it doesn't take a major overhaul of the rest of the offensive roster.

Here's the thing, the division has geared up to stop Brees and has been working for years at stopping Brees. They will have more success stopping a lesser version of Brees running the same offense.

Throw something and someone completely different at them, and it won't be so easy for them.

 

[new city champ]

Hill as a future starting QB for the Saints can only be seriously considered if you add a big caveat: the entire offense would have to be retooled to fit his skill set, much in the way Payton has tailored the current offense to fit Brees.

If you’re asking if Hill can be molded into a traditional drop-back QB who hangs in the pocket and reads through multiple progressions while the defense closes in, I’d advise you to forget it. If your talking instead about an offense that features lots of bootlegs, roll outs, some RPO, then I’m intrigued.

Is Payton really willing to make that kind of change? Well, offensive guru Bill Walsh did, once upon a time going from an older, pocket-bound Joe Montana to a super dynamic Steve Young and had much success with both styles. I’d wager Payton would enjoy trying to match Walsh’s accomplishment. . .

 

[StudioSaint]

I really liked what I saw from Hill, and am willing to give Bridgewater a pass for his play due to his playing rather ill.

I will say this... if as one of the announcers stated is true, and Payton really feels like Taysom could be the next Steve Young, then you can believe that Hill will be given every opportunity to prove it here, and Payton will do everything he can to keep Hill in New Orleans moving forward until he gets his chance.

I am really pulling for Hill because I really enjoy the exciting brand of Football that he brings to the table.

Another thing that I am excited about is seeing TCUDan posting between seasons in his own coaching career.

It's been said by a few announcers now and Payton hasn't corrected anyone, so I think it's likely true. What's intriguing to me is that Steve Young keeps saying that Hill entered the league as a better QB than he did and that he thinks Hill will be a better QB than he was.

I'm not counting on it, but it sure would be nice to see the Saints have their own and better version of Montana and Young. I think Brees is better than Montana. If Hill ends up better than Young, that would make up for suffering through all those years of the Saints playing second fiddle to the Montana and Young lead 49'ers.

 

[StudioSaint]

What we need is to fuse Taysom and Teddy into one being. Taysom’s athleticism and intangibles with Teddy’s intelligence.

Every report I've heard says that Taysom is as intelligent as he is athletic. Intelligence and experience are different things.

 

[StudioSaint]

What you have to remember, and Hill eluded to it in a local interview a week or so ago, is he spends less than half his time in the QB meeting room. He’s in the special teams meetings, and joins the RBs and WRs in meetings also.
During the training camp I went to, he spent 45 min doing special teams drills while Brees and Teddy were throwing.
I believe he knows the playbook, but just hasn’t had the time to get all the reps, both mental and physical because he is spread so thin focusing on what his main job will be during the regular season, at least for this year.

My understanding is that he fully attends all of the position meetings, but only gets partial practice at each position. So he gets full mental prep, but only partial repetition prep. I remember Payton once saying that there are many players that could do that as successfully as Hill has.

Sean has held players back before, like Kamara and Graham. It's possible that Payton is both taking advantage of Hill's diverse talents while Brees is still playing and avoiding developing Hill to his full QB potential before Brees retires. I read a long time ago that Walsh used the threat of Young to push Montana and Montana hated it.

I think Payton may be taking the opposite approach.

 

[TCUDan]

What you have to remember, and Hill eluded to it in a local interview a week or so ago, is he spends less than half his time in the QB meeting room. He’s in the special teams meetings, and joins the RBs and WRs in meetings also.
During the training camp I went to, he spent 45 min doing special teams drills while Brees and Teddy were throwing.
I believe he knows the playbook, but just hasn’t had the time to get all the reps, both mental and physical because he is spread so thin focusing on what his main job will be during the regular season, at least for this year.

This is actually a really good point. If you're running a practice efficiently, that means no one is ever standing around. This typically means that the OL and the QB's get a lot more indy time than other positions as they are the 2 groups who do not play a lot of special teams.

Considering Hill plays a just about every special team, that's a lot of extra individual time he is missing.

Additionally, position meetings are usually held somewhere within the same allotment of time. So QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, and OL will all meet separately from, for example, 9am-9:45. Then they will come together and meet as an offensive unit from 9:45-10:30.

It's not like the QBs are meeting at 7am, then coming back and meeting at 10am with the rest of the offense. Everyone has a work day that starts at a certain time. Perhaps the Saints stagger a little bit to accommodate Hill (I doubt it), but I bet he is putting in extra time to meet outside of regular meetings with Brees and Payton.

Out of curiosity I wonder how many Taysom specifice plays Payton has in his book of tricks.

He is used in a number of their base plays as an H-back and a WR. There are a few trick plays involving him, but I think it's really just about plugging him into their base plays.

So my question would be, how many different formations does he have for him, and how much does his play call ratio change whenever Hill is on the field?

If I was an opposing DC, that is what I would be studying.

 

[StudioSaint]

Additionally, position meetings are usually held somewhere within the same allotment of time. So QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, and OL will all meet separately from, for example, 9am-9:45. Then they will come together and meet as an offensive unit from 9:45-10:30.

It's not like the QBs are meeting at 7am, then coming back and meeting at 10am with the rest of the offense. Everyone has a work day that starts at a certain time. Perhaps the Saints stagger a little bit to accommodate Hill (I doubt it), but I bet he is putting in extra time to meet outside of regular meetings with Brees and Payton.

Do they have ST meetings?

 

[Doublemove]

I believe the offense by design is different when TH is in the game as QB. I don't believe the Saints spend too much time developing him to run the same offense as TB/DB. I am probably way off the mark but it looks like a different offense to me.
Anyway, I don't think that TH gets the focus and reps (just like any other QB3) with the offense. SP may see the potential for TH to be the second coming of Steve Young if the offense was designed around him. That's my uninformed thoughts.

 

[bobad]

Hill has a strong arm, a very quick and compact release, good accuracy, and quick feet to build on. He needs to work on his pocket movement and situational awareness.

Teddy is a little better in the pocket, but he also needs to improve. Get rid of the ball already, Teddy! He also has a minor whipping motion in his release which is not ideal, but not a deal killer.

Teddy is not an ideal No1, but serviceable. Hill is not an ideal No2, but can be if he gets better in the pocket.

I still don't think Drew's replacement is in the building.

 

[ThrowbackSaintXXL]

TH is fun to watch @ times but I think there's a good chance that his 3rd preseason game performance from last season killed any chance that Payton would trust him as the #2. Which led to overpaying for TB. Maybe TH will get a chance to prove himself more worthy this wk but he's gonna have to leave 1 hell of an impression IMO

About Teddy, I was initially on his bandwagon n I still wouldn't be mad if he truly turns out to be Drew's successor but I'm beginning to lean more towards drafting new blood. Especially for the salary cap benefits. I'm personally hoping we can find a way to grab either Tua, Hebert or Fromm in the upcoming draft. All excel @ throwing an accurate pass which is what we've grown accustomed to with Drew

 

[Saint Taysom]

Taysom Hill is a RFA after this season. It will be interesting to see what level of RFA Tender the Saints place on him. If he signs an extension, then the writing is on the wall that he will get a crack as the future starter at QB.

 

[rob22278]

Do they have ST meetings?

Yes, I told you in my post. Don’t believe me?