USA Today article of analysis of Saints penalty disparity (1 Viewer)

So I took it a step further and I looked at the yards per game we are being penalized. We have always had a top 5 offense under CSP, and usually 1, 2, or 3. This year we are 13th in total offense(lowest ever under CSP). We are being penalized 68.3 yards per game, the Saints avg during CSPs tenure is 51.9 ypg. A difference of 16.4 ypg. How much of a difference does 16.4 ypg make, if we had those 16.4 ypg back we would rank 7th in total offense instead of 13th. If we were being penalized at this year's league average, we would have yet another 8 ypg on top of those 16.4, bringing us all the way to 4th in total offense.
 
One can look at the absurd amount of penalties and just point at the Saints as an undisciplined football team.

“Undisciplined teams” do not go 10-2. We are still playing complementary football and coming up big in the clutch. What’s really the true reason for these flags?

I really believe we're not any more or less disciplined than any other team. If you look at the procedural penalties like false starts and offsides and such, they're pretty well within the norm. When it comes to holding and subjective penalties, only then do our numbers look out of the norm. Curious when the disparity is so great among the more subjective penalties.
 
I have watched every single game. What's your point though? I think we have been on the wrong end of some calls, but it doesn't appear to be some massive conspiracy. Refs are human they make mistakes. Some of them may even be corrupt and we should try point that out where we can. But threads suggesting some kind of conspiracy by the NFL against the saints seems asinine.

Why watch football if you believe the league is actively intervening in games? And why bring it up if you don't believe it is a conspiracy?

The problem is not the calls against the Saints, it's the lack of calls for the other side. Every team commits a penalty... every play. You cannot call it every play because the game will never end. They just refuse to call fairly.
 
The problem is not the calls against the Saints, it's the lack of calls for the other side. Every team commits a penalty... every play. You cannot call it every play because the game will never end. They just refuse to call fairly.
You are wasting your breath, with an individual, that does not see the point of the article to begin with.
I have watched every single game. What's your point though? I think we have been on the wrong end of some calls, but it doesn't appear to be some massive conspiracy. Refs are human they make mistakes. Some of them may even be corrupt and we should try point that out where we can. But threads suggesting some kind of conspiracy by the NFL against the saints seems asinine.

Why watch football if you believe the league is actively intervening in games? And why bring it up if you don't believe it is a conspiracy?
Where is there a conspiracy being said? The article and the stats provided are FACTS, not a proven CONSPIRACY! Why are YOU bringing up the conspiracy angle? Who the heck knows, why there is so much of a variance? But it is what it is and it needs to be addressed and fixed.
 
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If you got 9 sacks in a game, I think that might be an indicator that they absolutely didn't hold.
So it's similar to someone breaking into someone's home, does not end up stealing anything and did not get caught, so that is ok. :rolleyes:
 
You make the same mistake you accuse others of making
-small sample size ergo outlier -
There’s not enough data to prove outlier, so you’re making an assumption just like you wag your finger at others for doing
I’m going to repeat what I said in another thread. Sample size applies only to randomness. Like flipping a coin 10 times and getting 10 heads. Human bias does not apply to randomness. It’s called a pattern
 
You only need go back to game 1 against the Texans. The 10 second run off was not a bang bang play. It went to NY for review. No pressure of the moment. Sitting in an air conditioned office. The top rules guy. The expert. Incorrectly applies the rule that almost cost us the game. There is bias here
 
I’m going to repeat what I said in another thread. Sample size applies only to randomness. Like flipping a coin 10 times and getting 10 heads. Human bias does not apply to randomness. It’s called a pattern
mmm
I’ll push back on this a little bit (even though we are kinda in agreement))
If you have a free throw shooter who’s typically 90%, you might have a run of, say, 10 free throws where the miss 5 - thus the data of 10 shots would show a 50% shooter
But that doesn’t seem to be what we have here
Many variables showing a very similar pattern
 
mmm
I’ll push back on this a little bit (even though we are kinda in agreement))
If you have a free throw shooter who’s typically 90%, you might have a run of, say, 10 free throws where the miss 5 - thus the data of 10 shots would show a 50% shooter
But that doesn’t seem to be what we have here
Many variables showing a very similar pattern
That’s athletic ability not bias
 
I haven't read all 100+ posts here, but has anyone forwarded these articles (Twitter, Instagram, etc) to national sports writers like Peter King, or talk shows like Pro Football Talk, First things First ???\\

I can't imagine getting any national ground swell on this topic but it sure needs to be better know outside of SSF.
 
I haven't read all 100+ posts here, but has anyone forwarded these articles (Twitter, Instagram, etc) to national sports writers like Peter King, or talk shows like Pro Football Talk, First things First ???\\

I can't imagine getting any national ground swell on this topic but it sure needs to be better know outside of SSF.
It's USA Today. Peter King is aware of it, and if he's not picking it up, then it's a conscious decision.
 
I have a scenario for you: Let's say we are playing the team X, we have had some really bad calls throughout the game. Then in the 3rd quarter a blatant pass interference is not called against team X, even more blatant than last years blown Rams no call. Like to the point of it being so blatant that the receiver is cold cocked two seconds before the ball gets to the receiver. SP challenges, and the no call stands. Do you as a coach take your players off the field at that point? I think it may have to be done by some team, in some instance in the future. The scenario might be different with a team that has already been eliminated from the playoffs. I'm just venting my frustrations with no accountability regarding the officiating situation.

I said this a while back, it is to the point where you just walk off, forfeit the game. The NFL would suspend you for life, but the point would have been made. Maybe the NEXT Commissioner would reinstate you after they found the 50,000 pages of evidence regarding the conspiracy of the NFL and their Refs to screw the Saints.

If it happens during the playoffs, where they have basically stolen the game from you and there are two minutes on the clock...you just walk off.
 
I haven't read all 100+ posts here, but has anyone forwarded these articles (Twitter, Instagram, etc) to national sports writers like Peter King, or talk shows like Pro Football Talk, First things First ???\\

I can't imagine getting any national ground swell on this topic but it sure needs to be better know outside of SSF.

YES, I sent it to Florio this morning. I have corresponded with him a few times via email (yes, he emailed me back an actual response) starting in 2005 after Katrina. This was before he became super famous, so he might actually open my email. I sent him things about an expanded schedule idea (17 games, one neutral site, possibly International, two BYE weeks) that I thought up over a year ago, then he posted an article along these lines afterward, so he does read my emails.

I just sent the Girod Street End Zone posts to Florio also. If you see any of this info on PFT, it is probably because Florio read my emails.
 
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