Payton could learn from Coach O’s example (1 Viewer)

[SaintsBrah]

I think all of us have been, at some point, frustrated at Payton’s tendency to be stubborn to a fault and also take unnecessary risks.

I really wish Payton would be more open to accepting some outside help with the offense, or even show some willingness to adapt when his envisioned game plan falls apart. We all saw how Coach O’s humility paid off for LSU- he was big enough to get help from Joe Brady and let go of some of his control for the good of the team.

I unfortunately don’t see Payton changing or swallowing his pride. We all got a flash of this during the Bridgewater games where he showed how well things can work when we adapt the game plan- but that went down the drain after Brees returned.

I’m hopefully wrong. I don’t see things changing though- especially with his press conference after the loss where he just kept saying “yeah they made more plays than we did tough loss”.

 

[Bespoke]

We also saw this for a bit in 2011 when Payton suffered his ACL injury and had to entrust play-calling duties to Carmichael for a stretch, saw some fresh concepts and different situational play calling. Was a breath of fresh air.

 

[Saint Greg]

O was on the verge of getting fired before Burrow and Brady came along I don’t think he’ll last 5 more years. Payton is still considered one of the best offensive minds in the league.

LSU was 9-4 with a loss to Troy the year before Burrow came. Let's see what happens without Burrow again.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Do we know how much Drew Brees audibles out of plays?

 

[SaintStephen1]

Payton simply needs to learn how to manage clock and TO issues. Andy Reid has the same issue. Everything they do works brilliantly against inferior teams because they can get big leads. Both are absolutely brilliant play designers and callers but they haven’t mastered the last step which is managing close big games.

 

[SaintsBrah]

O was on the verge of getting fired before Burrow and Brady came along I don’t think he’ll last 5 more years. Payton is still considered one of the best offensive minds in the league.

Even the greatest of minds can be crippled by their own hubris

 

[SaintsBrah]

Do we know how much Drew Brees audibles out of plays?

Probably quite a bit. Good point. He also tries to do too much at times- a common characteristic in highly achieving perfectionists.

 

[SaintsBrah]

Payton simply needs to learn how to manage clock and TO issues. Andy Reid has the same issue. Everything they do works brilliantly against inferior teams because they can get big leads. Both are absolutely brilliant play designers and callers but they haven’t mastered the last step which is managing close big games.

Very true. We beat ourselves as a team.

 

[dutar76]

Saints offense was 9th in total yardage and 3rd in scoring, in a year where we played 5-3/4 games with a back up QB and most of the season with our star RB hobbled by a leg injury, and by all accounts.... no viable weapon at #2 WR.

So the knock on SP is likely very situational. In the long run, his offense is borderline elite. You can break it down to some specific situations where it didn't work so well, but I think you'll find that is the case with every football team, past, present, and future.

 

[SaintsBrah]

Saints offense was 9th in total yardage and 3rd in scoring, in a year where we played 5-3/4 games with a back up QB and most of the season with our star RB hobbled by a leg injury, and by all accounts.... no viable weapon at #2 WR.

So the knock on SP is likely very situational. In the long run, his offense is borderline elite. You can break it down to some specific situations where it didn't work so well, but I think you'll find that is the case with every football team, past, present, and future.

Oh of course it’s situational- they’re just always huge situations that change the course of a season. Most concerning is the inability to learn from mistakes or admit a game plan isn’t working. We’ve seen teams capitalize on that again and again.

 

[Saint Kamara]

Not everyone can be Coach O.

 

[CantguardTaysom]

Do we know how much Drew Brees audibles out of plays?

I’m going to say 75% of the time. On the play he fumbled, he changed it up and it led to a miscommunication. Imagine if he had just run the running play Sean called.

 

[Saintsphere]

Never thought we’d see the day SR would be basically saying Coach O > Sean Payton lol.

Payton does deserve heat though. Too much talent on this team in years past to have only one super bowl appearance to show for it.

 

[SaintsBrah]

Never thought we’d see the day SR would be basically saying Coach O > Sean Payton lol.

Payton does deserve heat though. Too much talent on this team in years past to have only one super bowl appearance to show for it.

Never said he was better. Simply saying he was humble enough to admit he’d benefit from a different approach.

 

[Bespoke]

Saints offense was 9th in total yardage and 3rd in scoring, in a year where we played 5-3/4 games with a back up QB and most of the season with our star RB hobbled by a leg injury, and by all accounts.... no viable weapon at #2 WR.

So the knock on SP is likely very situational. In the long run, his offense is borderline elite. You can break it down to some specific situations where it didn't work so well, but I think you'll find that is the case with every football team, past, present, and future.

No one is denying Coach Payton's regular season excellence, he can call it up with the best of them in the regular season.

The issue comes up in the post-season where you go against the Best Defensive minds, with elite personnel and everything ramps up from a physicality, and intensity stand point. You meet the Mike Zimmer's and the Wade Phillips type of Defensive coaches who know all your playcalling tendencies, and tend to exploit them.

As an Offense you have to be able to make adjustments, expect unexpected Defensive coverages, and rush packages, and come out with out of the box playcalls that break tendencies and catch Defenses off guard and that just hasn't happened the past 3 playoff exits, The Offense has come out stale and uninspired the last two playoff losses, and even failed to capitalize off of early turnovers that put them in the opposing Red zone in the 1st quarter in both games. Zimmer has gotten this Offense twice, and Wade once in a span of three pretty disappointing play-off exits.