Underhill digging at Swimmer and CP on Twitter (1 Viewer)

[Madmarsha]

I read what Swimmer said about not "offending" Underhill because he is a friend of the forum. But what was offensive? Really this whole thing is baffling.

He also took it to Twitter. Which was weird to see what I strictly view as a Saints report dot com thing on Twitter. Keep it in house, man.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Why do you feel his ego was bruised?

Nick has two Twitter accounts. One of which is his official account for his job which is covering the Pats. The second is a personal account for interaction with friends, many of whom are Saints fans. He still keeps tabs on the Saints, but it is no longer his job. Either way, I'm pretty sure he sleeps just fine at night knowing he has one less Saints fan to read his articles about the Patriots. Lol Just understand that it's your loss, not his.

You're right. The world needs one more blogger far more than he needs to establish credibility and professionalism. Because real journalists get into slap fights with random posters on boutique internet forums. Also he's doing just fine with his astonishing 27,000 Twitter followers.

 

[Surviving Saint]

Just understand that it's your loss, not his.

There is nothing to gain by following him on Twitter or reading any of his articles. I can't for the life of me see what anyone would be missing.

Swimmer posts we are drafting Davenport before it happened. That one post is more valuable to us than anything Underhill has ever written. That's a fact.

 

[Madmarsha]

The SSF is fans' forum, not a news organization. Even if someone starts a thread with "NEWS!!!" in the title, I know that poster is not Foxsports or ESPN (and it's not like I trust them either or care about what they have to say when it goes to rumors and speculation.)They are just a person who heard this and that, or even made it up. And some even have real information.

I'm not sure that I always see eye to eye with SystemShock but with this I surely do. I am here and stay here because I know exactly what this site is and also what it is not. And one of the things it is is a well-run message board full of diverse intelligent, articulate posters who share a love of all things Saints that [usually but not always] brings us all together.

 

[jasonsw]

Now that Swimmers thread is locked this is by far the most entertaining thread on SSF.

 

[Alan12]

Because they didnt like it? Those same mods let it get to 70+ pages. You get real. In the past, undocumentable sources have always been tagged as rumor or speculation. They let the thread go on unchanged and I really think they did it because they have a soft spot for Swimmer not because they have it out for him.

The thread title is in fact misleading.

Along the way, the thread started to be presented more and more like the truth, as real news. As much as we want to believe it, it can't be called that. It's not the truth. It's not news.

Wait, what did I miss?

He admitted to troll posting 6-7 years ago in this post of the now closed thread. It’s about halfway down and starts at the “btw” segment.

Whoa! UPDATE THURS 2/20 ! More Stunning Claimed Insider Info on Burrow, Brees and AK........

Checked with the powers to be on the board and got the go-ahead to post Coach Pete updates in the thread. I'd like to state that this is information Coach Pete is claiming he is getting from insiders. Until proven, this should be considered advanced speculation. 1) Yes, the Saints are going...

saintsreport.com

I totally believe Andrus and Dan in L about their respect and appreciation for Underhill. I get the feeling he helped the board along the way with info and he is very trusted by Andrus and Dan. In all the correspondence to me, the Burrow thread was never an issue. The next time Coach Pete gets some new Burrow info, I'll start that thread, but no Underhill conversation will be allowed on the thread.

And I’m sure the moderators will have no issue with that if you appropriately tag that thread with the proper prefix.

There’s 4 prefixes there that can be used for that type of content when it’s originally posted here: Rumor, Unverified, Opinion, and Speculation (which is slightly further up).

When and if it comes to pass that the information posted in the OP is proven to be valid, go right ahead change that Rumor/Unverified/Opinion/Speculation tag to that big fat green “Verified” tag and rock it all day.

But rumors and things heard through the grapevine and being passed off as fact and being labeled as news is only going to result in more threads locked and continue to draw the ire of the admin and moderating staffs here, as if their plates weren’t already full enough.

 

[NatureBoy]

I was going to suggest starting coachpetereport.com, but that URL is already owned. Back to the drawing board. #CoExist

 

[Swimmer]

Ok Swimmer.. I am so confuse with all this. What does Underhill have to do with any of this. The only thing is he had an opinion about the Davenport trade and posted on twitter. Someone here made a thread about it. To me...So what. You made a thread about the Burrow based on your friend and we all discuss it like all other thread on this forum. Doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with your take, it was a thread worth discussing. But what does a reporter who writes for another team but is a fan favorite here, has anything to do with this? I am confuse here.

I don't know. But apparently Underhill was really good to SR for a long time. If it were my board and if the relationship with Underhill was vital to the board getting to where it is today, I would have likely done the same thing. At the end of the day, I view SR as a Who Dat family where no one is more important than the welfare of the family. So if I have to take one for the team, that is no big thing. My ego is the only that doesn't like this and I've learned over the years that my ego likes to think about me 1st - not a good way to have a community. Let's all support Andrus and Dan in L on this. We will still continue the Coach Pete posts,

 

[Swimmer]

"Alan12, post: 7931141, member: 30885"]


He admitted to troll posting 6-7 years ago in this post of the now closed thread. It’s about halfway down and starts at the “btw” segment.

Alan - I will take deep exception to what appears to me be a totally self-righteous post above. Please don't tell me that you have never done something you later realized was not the most honorable thing. I think all humans are made faulty.

I think Jesus had something to say about this, something like, "Let him cast the 1st stone if he has not sinned." To me, it's how we learn and grow from our mistakes, it's if we face what we have done and be honest with ourselves and others.

I'm actually laughing my arse off. If everyone who ever posted a post that anything that could be considered trolling or tried to hijacks threads had their threads and posts removed, there would be virtually no content on SR - lol

Now back to this blessed weekend for me!

 

[NatureBoy]

As far as "inside information" goes, there's no handbook on how it's done or how it should be handled. Nick, Coach Pete, Swimmer and Ian Rappaport (the worlds worse) are only subject to what they've heard. It's up to them to determine the credibility of the source, and what to do with it. One thing is certain though, no one has ALL of the info. People with those "sources" can only take the info they have, and connect the dots, with the understanding that they don't have the full picture. It's the same for reporters, insiders, family, lawn guys, coaches and swimmers.

Nick is never going to provide "inside info" ahead of schedule (unless given permission to do so). He knows how the Saints operate. All of the press know how the Saints operate. It's hard to gain their trust, and if you ever do, you'd better not compromise it.

Believe it or not, teams send test balloons on concepts to see how fans react. I guarantee that with the reach and power of this forum, info is released to certain people (professionals and otherwise), and they are told to roll with it, so that the team can gauge the public's response.

It would be foolish to think that the Saints didn't do their due diligence on Davenport. It would also be foolish to say that a deal to trade in to that spot was "done". It's somewhere in between. I'd bet there were discussions about how they (Saints and GB) each valued the position though. It's their job to do so. It's their job to turn every stone over. If they don't, they are bad at their jobs. Those previous discussions provided framework to get something done quick.

That said, if the Saints truly have an interest in Burrow, I have no doubt that they have had conversations with the Bungles. How we want to classify those discussions is another thread in itself I guess. One person might consider them making the call a "serious" matter, where someone else might say "they're just poking around", but I digress.

I have no doubt that Underhill had knowledge of the interest in Davenport, thus the pre-prepared article. I also have no doubt that Coach Pete had knowledge through his contacts at UTSA. I don't know the timelines involved, but through Swimmer, I'd bet that Coach Pete "went public" first. Nick didn't have that luxury. To do so would sink his trust with the Saints.

When it came to the Davenport matter, all parties involved "knew" something. No one involved knew everything. There are lots of moving parts, many unknown to anyone but the Saints brass.

As for Burrow and all of the trade talk, it wouldn't surprise me if Sean told someone he'd like to have Burrow. It wouldn't surprise me if he told Mickey to poke around. Maybe Cincy said it would have to be a deal we couldn't refuse, and the Saints asked them to define that, which lead to the speculation of players and draft compensation. The entire scenario could be construed anywhere from crazy to serious, depending on who you are. Then again it's possible nothing was said and this is all pie in the sky. Pete is not a liar for repeating what he heard. Pete could have someone pulling his leg, or not.

It all makes for interesting conversation during a time of year that we are starving for something to talk about. I think it makes the site interesting. Clicks are clicks, too. I'd much rather this than "my mock draft 3.4", etc.

 

[dvdman]

Still think Swimmer and Coach Pete are the same person. I don’t think
it can be proven otherwise. IMHO

 

[Saintaholik]

Really? I thought it was the account he made for covering the Saints. Sorry if I’m wrong and I’ll delete. It is funny the number of people in that thread that are aware of Saints report. Saw BobE on there

It is nick underhill, he specifically made this account like 6 months ago.

He said it was for all NFL news but he pretty much doesn't nothing but talk about the Saints on it lol

 

[Alan12]

Alan - I will take deep exception to what appears to me be a totally self-righteous post above. Please don't tell me that you have never done something you later realized was not the most honorable thing. I think all humans are made faulty.

I think Jesus had something to say about this, something like, "Let him cast the 1st stone if he has not sinned." To me, it's how we learn and grow from our mistakes, it's if we face what we have done and be honest with ourselves and others.

I'm actually laughing my arse off. If everyone who ever posted a post that anything that could be considered trolling or tried to hijacks threads had their threads and posts removed, there would be virtually no content on SR - lol

Now back to this blessed weekend for me!

Nothing self-righteous about it.

The poster I quoted asked a question about another post. I simply answered that question and linked the post that you yourself made that explained it in much more detail.

If I wanted to be self-righteous about it, I would’ve paraphrased your post in much harsher language and not even bothered to link said post where my version of the story would’ve been the only version they knew. You know, the whole spreading a false narrative thing?

 

[CowtownSaint]

So if the issue is with people calling Underhill a hack or overrated, why not issue private measages, have the posts deleted and a note made so that the epic thread could continue to build up to One of the biggest and best ever?

Really?! Really? We couldn’t have done that. We had to shut down the whole thread, by doing that because of Underhill you do him no favours , Infact it just makes Underhill and Co worse by doing that. It does the opposite of what yo yearn because now it’s weak and sours people

I get frustration over people commenting on him, okay cool, I get it. Cool it people. But shutting it down now because of it, well now I have no interest in ever reading his stuff I hand no respect for that type of whiney elementary school stuff. It looks so freaking WEAK. Like really Weak!!

Also for the record, calling someone Overrated or that he Writes Hack Articles is not Slander at all. It’s not close. Slander would be saying that Underhill deserves no credit because his articles are all lies or something along that nature.

Ive seen a lot worse “slander” if that’s the baseline I’ve seen a lot worse “slander” of posters on this very forum and nothing done about it.

 

[Derek_B]

So if the issue is with people calling Underhill a hack or overrated, why not issue private measages, have the posts deleted and a note made so that the epic thread could continue to build up to One of the biggest and best ever?

Really?! Really? We couldn’t have done that. We had to shut down the whole thread, by doing that because of Underhill you do him no favours , Infact it just makes Underhill and Co worse by doing that. It does the opposite of what yo yearn because now it’s weak and sours people

I get frustration over people commenting on him, okay cool, I get it. Cool it people. But shutting it down now because of it, well now I have no interest in ever reading his stuff I hand no respect for that type of whiney elementary school stuff. It looks so freaking WEAK. Like really Weak!!

Also for the record, calling someone Overrated or that he Writes Hack Articles is not Slander at all. It’s not close. Slander would be saying that Underhill deserves no credit because his articles are all lies or something along that nature.

Ive seen a lot worse “slander” if that’s the baseline I’ve seen a lot worse “slander” of posters on this very forum and nothing done about it.

Totally agree, i don't see why that was shut down.