30 for 30: Michael Vick (3 Viewers)

Stop lying. No need to exaggerate what he did or why he did it in order to prop up your own actions.

Hey, you're the one insulting and trying g to force your belief system on someone else. When I take an animals life, I kneel and pray and give thanks. Before I begin my hunt I pray that God gives me the ability to hit on the first shot and make the kill quick and painless.

There all kinds of studies that prove hunting is needed to keep animal populations in check, keep down animal disease etc. You can also find studies that show the impact the billions of dollars hunters spend provide a positive impact on the environment.

Here, I will agree with you if you can show me 1 benefit of murdering dogs. Just one benefit of how electrocuting, burning and drowning dogs provides a positive impact to the environment and nature.

You cant. It doesnt exist.
 
Oh yeah, what I do is legal btw.
 
Hey, you're the one insulting and trying g to force your belief system on someone else. When I take an animals life, I kneel and pray and give thanks. Before I begin my hunt I pray that God gives me the ability to hit on the first shot and make the kill quick and painless.

There all kinds of studies that prove hunting is needed to keep animal populations in check, keep down animal disease etc. You can also find studies that show the impact the billions of dollars hunters spend provide a positive impact on the environment.

Here, I will agree with you if you can show me 1 benefit of murdering dogs. Just one benefit of how electrocuting, burning and drowning dogs provides a positive impact to the environment and nature.

You cant. It doesnt exist.

You pray that god gives you the skill to kill the animals he put on the earth... so you can help him keep their population down? It all makes sense now. :smilielol:
 
Sure pick and choose what you want. I do pray for the skill to make a quick and clean kill.

How about the rest of my post? Oh, you dont have a leg to stand on. Later Francis I am done.
 
I am sure my forgiveness or lack of, does not keep him awake. I think some people do not realize the attachment others have to unarmed black men murdered by police. A black guy only wants to be loved and love back. I have seen police murder black men only to see the same police escape conviction for their actions. If you dont understand it it's ok. People are different. There are more than likely things out there that I could forgive that you couldnt. when my [insert son, brother, uncle, father, friend] died I was devastated. I still have his picture on my fridge. Can't imagine what it like losing a child. These guys were family to someone.

Yeah, I totally get it now. The next time someone says just get over incidences of police brutality, I'll point them to the thread about how hard it is to get over Michael Vick.
 
Sure pick and choose what you want. I do pray for the skill to make a quick and clean kill.

How about the rest of my post? Oh, you dont have a leg to stand on. Later Francis I am done.

Once I realized that you believe you're commissioned to do god's work, that he hired you for the animal control division - the rest of your post didn't matter. The irony of your predicament is all I can see now. The irony of god miscalculating. Of needing you to shoot the animals because there's no other way to get rid of them once they're here. And if humans never came along? Who would keep the animal population under control?

There is no limit to what we will tell ourselves (and others) in order to justify our actions.
 
Look if this guy has changed his life so be it. Good for him. It doesnt mean I have to gush about what a great human is. He is who he is and its between him and which ever god he chooses to worship. My decision to not care about him does not effect him in the slightest. He will move on in life and my feelings wont impact him in the slightest. My foot is not on his neck.
You sure seem like you care, though.
 
You need there to be "a world of difference" between the two
so you can remain self-righteous. In the end, the animals are dead and unlike Vick, you ingest the animals.

But in your head, you are 100% justified. It's funny how we can always find ways to justify what WE want to do. How we can always find ways to make ourselves "right." But I don't see what you do as anymore necessary or more legitimate than dog fighting.

I don't see how you can be 100% ok with one and completely "outraged" by the other. Being hypocritical has always gone hand-in-hand with self-righteousness.

What I do by hunting is something that has been done by men since the beginning of time unlike fighting and killing dogs for sport and it is more legitimate because there are no laws against it. In fact it is regulated by law and I strictly follow those laws.

Tell me where there are laws that protect dog fighting. Vick could have been charged with far more than just dog fighting if they would have fully thrown the book at him. There could have been illegal gambling, drug and prostitution charges brought against him if he would have pleaded not guilty but by virtue of him striking a deal the charges against him were greatly reduced.

In other words........................he got off easy because of who he was!!

And where did I say that I was outraged by what Vick did? I was far from outraged because it didn't surprise me one little bit when him and his "posse" of 'boyz" were arrested and charged and as I said before the only reason that people are of the mind that he is a better person is because he got caught.

You can preach from your throne all you want but I highly doubt that I'll ever go to prison for buying a hunting license.
 
What I do by hunting is something that has been done by men since the beginning of time unlike fighting and killing dogs for sport and it is more legitimate because there are no laws against it. In fact it is regulated by law and I strictly follow those laws.

Tell me where there are laws that protect dog fighting. Vick could have been charged with far more than just dog fighting if they would have fully thrown the book at him. There could have been illegal gambling, drug and prostitution charges brought against him if he would have pleaded not guilty but by virtue of him striking a deal the charges against him were greatly reduced.

In other words........................he got off easy because of who he was!!

And where did I say that I was outraged by what Vick did? I was far from outraged because it didn't surprise me one little bit when him and his "posse" of 'boyz" were arrested and charged and as I said before the only reason that people are of the mind that he is a better person is because he got caught.

You can preach from your throne all you want but I highly doubt that I'll ever go to prison for buying a hunting license.
It doesn't matter if there are arbitrary laws making it ok for you to kill animals. The reasons men like you and Michael Vick partake in such actions are very similar. Therefore, whatever feelings you harbor towards Vick, be it outrage, anger, disgust - should also be directed inwards.

I don't understand why anyone would do either activity. But I get that people like it: hunting and dog fighting. To each his own. Just don't try and paint a picture where what you do is morally superior or vastly different. You both operate within the same zip code.
 
Look if this guy has changed his life so be it. Good for him. It doesnt mean I have to gush about what a great human is. He is who he is and its between him and which ever god he chooses to worship. My decision to not care about him does not effect him in the slightest. He will move on in life and my feelings wont impact him in the slightest. My foot is not on his neck.

You have a lot of posts in this thread for a guy who doesn't care.
 
It doesn't matter if there are arbitrary laws making it ok for you to kill animals. The reasons men like you and Michael Vick partake in such actions are very similar. Therefore, whatever feelings you harbor towards Vick, be it outrage, anger, disgust - should also be directed inwards.

I don't understand why anyone would do either activity. But I get that people like it: hunting and dog fighting. To each his own. Just don't try and paint a picture where what you do is morally superior or vastly different. You both operate within the same zip code.
I understand your point. I don't agree with it necessarily but I understand it. I hunt and my kids hunt. If we can kill 3 deer a year we buy very little, if any, beef all year. It's a trade off for us. Meat is going to be eaten either way. If you eat meat the same things are going on with your food. You're just paying someone else to do it.
 
It doesn't matter if there are arbitrary laws making it ok for you to kill animals. The reasons men like you and Michael Vick partake in such actions are very similar. Therefore, whatever feelings you harbor towards Vick, be it outrage, anger, disgust - should also be directed inwards.

I don't understand why anyone would do either activity. But I get that people like it: hunting and dog fighting. To each his own. Just don't try and paint a picture where what you do is morally superior or vastly different. You both operate within the same zip code.

Then we'll just agree to disagree because we both won't see the other point.

I don't see it being in the same zip code at all but whatever.

Either way I'm done with you.
 
I understand your point. I don't agree with it necessarily but I understand it. I hunt and my kids hunt. If we can kill 3 deer a year we buy very little, if any, beef all year. It's a trade off for us. Meat is going to be eaten either way. If you eat meat the same things are going on with your food. You're just paying someone else to do it.
The part where you and your kids kill for the meat, is recreational. It's not necessary. There is some other motivation to shooting and killing wild animals besides the money saved on buying beef.

You probably get a rush or a sense of satisfaction when you or one of the kids hits your target. You probably like the ritual of it all. Cleaning your guns, making sure you packed all the right stuff, buying new gear. It's a sport that involves bloodshed and dead animals. Not unlike dog fighting.

I know how my food gets made (some believe the conditions in which farm animals are slaughtered is worse than both dog fighting and hunting). It's why I can't imagine getting up on a soap box, acting as if I'm above animals being hurt for my pleasure.
 
Hunters contribute billions of dollars to nature. I hunt goose, squirrel, rabbit, duck, deer, turkey etc. I kill quickly and efficiently. I dont hold the animal down and torture it. Without hunters animals would over populate. There would be deer starving. Again am I killing an animal? Yes. I dont take questionable shots. I dont light them on fire or electrocute them and watch them suffer in torment while I watch and laugh. Vick is a piece of garbage. I dont care if he feels bad because he got caught and cant do those things any more.
I feel differently, but 100% see and respect your point of view.
 

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