Saints Saints Re-sign Andrus Peat/5 year $57.5M ($33M Guaranteed) (1 Viewer)

Nice to see you back, Belfast! We definitely had a great chat analyzing the Vikings tape of Peat awhile back so you're someone I always enjoy their insight from. :)

Also I literally just thought about what you said about Kelemete the other day and was wondering the same. Kelemete AND Tim Lelito (to a lesser degree) both were beloved in their limited spot duty filling in at guard yet Peat just seems to be the whipping boy.
Oh, that's easily explained. Former first round pick who isn't a superstar and therefore gets held up against a very high standard at every turn. I saw someone reference his draft status just yesterday, despite it being 5 years ago and now rendered irrelevant.
 
Was the level of play between Peat and Easton very discernible?

You got Easton in the fold, you go get another G in free agency that's cheap (5-7 million) and let them compete.

And we haven't even started to discuss Peat's injury history. How you gonna guarantee 3 years worth of the contract?

Should have been 4 years, $34 million, $17 million guaranteed.

Quite unfortunately it seems that mediocre guards are being paid at that rate now. Just the times I guess.
I’d have rather we just slid Easton i there and drafted Logan from Kentucky.
 
Oh, that's easily explained. Former first round pick who isn't a superstar and therefore gets held up against a very high standard at every turn. I saw someone reference his draft status just yesterday, despite it being 5 years ago and now rendered irrelevant.

While I understand it is not the fault of the player, I think it’s perfectly reasonable and relevant to judge said player against their draft position.
It’s the same reason we sing the praises of high quality UDFA’s.

Having said that I still wouldn’t think that he was a good guard even if he was taken in the 2nd instead of at 13.

Perhaps I’m just spoiled by having seen Nicks and Evans.
 
While I understand it is not the fault of the player, I think it’s perfectly reasonable and relevant to judge said player against their draft position.
It’s the same reason we sing the praises of high quality UDFA’s.

Having said that I still wouldn’t think that he was a good guard even if he was taken in the 2nd instead of at 13.

Perhaps I’m just spoiled by having seen Nicks and Evans.
Well two things there, for me.

1. After their rookie deal ends, it doesn't matter one iota where someone was drafted. Their pay is based on production and talent, not their draft position.

2. The fact is that when a highly drafted player falls out of favour with fans, their ire and aggressive criticism often becomes disproportionate *because* of where they were drafted. I understand the psychology of this, I think - we spend (too much) time focusing in on high round prospects our favourite team might choose, then they choose one that we place on an unattainable pedestal of expectation. When they don't reach that, the lash back is, as a collective whole, excessive.
 
As difficult as it is to judge a skill player gaffe without knowing the assignments and play calls, it's even more difficult to evaluate offensive linemen, who are plunging into a writhing tangle of 300 pound behemoths. Even when Brees throws an interception, it can be case that the receiver ran the wrong route. Without knowing the play call, we often blame Brees.

Or, Brees gets sacked. Someone messed up, but we don't know what the blocking scheme was. Maybe the scheme wasn't right for the defensive call, a coaching miscue. Maybe one of the defensive players saw something at the last moment and adjusted too fast for the linemen and back to compensate.

It's a complicated game, and it's really difficult to judge players without knowing a lot of background.
 
Well two things there, for me.

1. After their rookie deal ends, it doesn't matter one iota where someone was drafted. Their pay is based on production and talent, not their draft position.

2. The fact is that when a highly drafted player falls out of favour with fans, their ire and aggressive criticism often becomes disproportionate *because* of where they were drafted. I understand the psychology of this, I think - we spend (too much) time focusing in on high round prospects our favourite team might choose, then they choose one that we place on an unattainable pedestal of expectation. When they don't reach that, the lash back is, as a collective whole, excessive.

Many 1st rounders are outright flops...so Andrus Peat isn't a bust. I don't think that he's worth the contract he just got. I think that he's an average and replaceable OG...he's essentially Max Unger...a guy who left and was able to be replaced quickly. If we would have polled SSF whether they thought Andrus Peat would be resigned. I'm pretty sure that the "Yes" answer would have hovered around 10-25%. I thought that there would be a team out there that would be stupid enough to sign him to a big contract looking at his accolades. Well...he did find a buyer...unfortunately. Hopefully it doesn't hurt our ability to sign prized free agents over the next 3-5 seasons.
 
Well two things there, for me.

1. After their rookie deal ends, it doesn't matter one iota where someone was drafted. Their pay is based on production and talent, not their draft position.

2. The fact is that when a highly drafted player falls out of favour with fans, their ire and aggressive criticism often becomes disproportionate *because* of where they were drafted. I understand the psychology of this, I think - we spend (too much) time focusing in on high round prospects our favourite team might choose, then they choose one that we place on an unattainable pedestal of expectation. When they don't reach that, the lash back is, as a collective whole, excessive.

I can relate to that. Well stated.
To your first point, I agree that it matters not after their rookie deal...
That is part of what frustrates me with the deal he got. His production does not equal his pay. By a large margin. IMO only and I’m admittedly no expert. Now it seems that all of the contracts going out are terrible so I think it’s just me getting too old. If that’s the rate that’s the rate. I just miss Carl and Jahri.
I agree wholeheartedly with your second point.
 
Many 1st rounders are outright flops...so Andrus Peat isn't a bust. I don't think that he's worth the contract he just got. I think that he's an average and replaceable OG...he's essentially Max Unger...a guy who left and was able to be replaced quickly. If we would have polled SSF whether they thought Andrus Peat would be resigned. I'm pretty sure that the "Yes" answer would have hovered around 10-25%. I thought that there would be a team out there that would be stupid enough to sign him to a big contract looking at his accolades. Well...he did find a buyer...unfortunately. Hopefully it doesn't hurt our ability to sign prized free agents over the next 3-5 seasons.

Definitely not a bust imo either. As you stated, absolutely average. Milquetoast.
 
Many 1st rounders are outright flops...so Andrus Peat isn't a bust. I don't think that he's worth the contract he just got. I think that he's an average and replaceable OG...he's essentially Max Unger...a guy who left and was able to be replaced quickly. If we would have polled SSF whether they thought Andrus Peat would be resigned. I'm pretty sure that the "Yes" answer would have hovered around 10-25%. I thought that there would be a team out there that would be stupid enough to sign him to a big contract looking at his accolades. Well...he did find a buyer...unfortunately. Hopefully it doesn't hurt our ability to sign prized free agents over the next 3-5 seasons.
I think you're selling Unger a little short there. He was a very good player who became injured and unable to keep playing in the NFL. We did well to replace him and to be fair, we may not have done so yet, as McCoy still has some growing to do.

In terms of contract value, as Hump said, it's market value, not what we think is fair. The fair price is always what someone is willing to pay.
 
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I think you're selling Unger a little short there. He was a very good player who became injured and unable to keep playing in the NFL. We did well to replace him and to be fair, we may not have done so yet, as McCoy still has some growing still to do.

In terms of contract value, as Hump said, it's market value, not what we think is fair. The fair price is always what someone is willing to pay.

Agreed on Max. I thought he was an above average center who was very cerebral and had us aligned properly more often than not. I liked him a lot.
 
I think you're selling Unger a little short there. He was a very good player who became injured and unable to keep playing in the NFL. We did well to replace him and to be fair, we may not have done so yet, as McCoy still has some growing still to do.

In terms of contract value, as Hump said, it's market value, not what we think is fair. The fair price is always what someone is willing to pay.

Unger wasn’t “very good” on the Saints. Maybe he was on the Seahawks. He was serviceable and steady. Essentially he was Jon Goodwin before he left the Saints. He didn’t move people.
 
Unger wasn’t “very good” on the Saints. Maybe he was on the Seahawks. He was serviceable and steady. Essentially he was Jon Goodwin before he left the Saints. He didn’t move people.
I'll have to watch the tape to see that last part, as I haven't noticed it before.
 
Unger wasn’t “very good” on the Saints. Maybe he was on the Seahawks. He was serviceable and steady. Essentially he was Jon Goodwin before he left the Saints. He didn’t move people.

I think he was above average both physically and with making the line calls, until his last season.
And I think most here would say I’m the exact opposite of a sunshine pumper and may be too hard on most players. Lol
 
I think he was above average both physically and with making the line calls, until his last season.
And I think most here would say I’m the exact opposite of a sunshine pumper and may be too hard on most players. Lol

I mean...I'm not saying that he was bad. He just didn't move people. He wasn't shut down in pass defense. I'd say that he was an average center the significant majority of the time as a Saints player. Peat has had more highs and lows...and I think that that would probably make him an average OG. But I think you have to include injury risk...and the combination of his inconsistencies and injuries are why I wouldn't have given him that contract. I think that the significant majority of Saints fans would agree.
 
I mean...I'm not saying that he was bad. He just didn't move people. He wasn't shut down in pass defense. I'd say that he was an average center the significant majority of the time as a Saints player. Peat has had more highs and lows...and I think that that would probably make him an average OG. But I think you have to include injury risk...and the combination of his inconsistencies and injuries are why I wouldn't have given him that contract. I think that the significant majority of Saints fans would agree.
People keep talking about his injury risk. He broke a bone last year and that was the only time he missed any significant time since his rookie year. Every other year he played at least 15 games. I mean, it's a pretty violent sport and big guys fall hard. I'd say he's been pretty damn healthy, all things considered.
 

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