N/S Where do you see Cam and Jameis ending up? (1 Viewer)

So you're saying Cam is better than Drew? Drew has never won MVP so I guess he's not a great QB. It's amazing to see people defend Cam Newton because he won an MVP.

And I call it based on definition. Its not tomato tomato.

He was that year.

Obviously not for a career. Cam's peak was 3-4 years, Drew's has been 15. That's the difference between a one-time MVP had a very strong but short peak, and a first-ballot hall of famer.
 
Brett Farve threw 29 INT's once and had 20+ INT's at least 3 times in his career. It happens when you're a gunslinger.

True but Favre grew up and matured from his early issues, so far Winston has shown very little signs of maturing and IMO that has held him back more than anything.
 
True but Favre grew up and matured from his early issues, so far Winston has shown very little signs of maturing and IMO that has held him back more than anything.

That's not exactly true. Wasn't Farve 40 years old sending un wanted pictures of his Johnson to lady reporters? He threw 29 INT's when he was well into his career.
 
So throwing for 5,000 yards and 30+ TD's doesn't qualify as good?
no, not when you give the other team almost 2 extra possesions a game. thats awful! you cant just pick and choose stats to make a player look better. when you throw as many interceptions as touchdowns you are not good by any standard.
 
no, not when you give the other team almost 2 extra possesions a game. thats awful! you cant just pick and choose stats to make a player look better. when you throw as many interceptions as touchdowns you are not good by any standard.

Reading is fundamental. Clearly you should go back and read exactly what I said from the beginning.

So by your standards Brett Farve is garbage. Got it. Maybe Indy should've traded Peyton Manning in 2001 when he threw over 20+ INT's by your standards SMH & LMAO
 
Reading is fundamental. Clearly you should go back and read exactly what I said from the beginning.

So by your standards Brett Farve is garbage. Got it. SMH & LMAO
Winston isn't even in the same universe as Favre first of all and secondly Favre and his gun-slinging is the main reason the saints have a super bowl.....
 
Winston isn't even in the same universe as Favre first of all and secondly Favre and his gun-slinging is the main reason the saints have a super bowl.....

But....but.....but the turnovers. More ridiculousness.

The Saints are the main reason the Saints have a Super Bowl.
 
Farve was not trying to eat his fingers before games. While his play style may have been sort of similar to Jameis, his demeanor and intelect were significantly more suited to success in the nfl.
The only things that make Jameis a bad QB is turnovers. I believe that's coachable. other than that he has the physical tools. He went from leading kids to needing to learn how to lead men. I dont think he was ever shown and I would accept him on this team because he would get the chance to finally see how it's supposed to be done. I think he can be really good if coached properly and consistently.
 
Los, someone should have told John Elway that because throughout most, at least in the 1980s Broncos part of his career, many of those great comebacks, last-second, heart-stopping wins he pulled off for Denver to send them to 3 SB's was largely due to his mobility and his powerful arm. Most fans today aren't aware of just how dangerous Elway was as a mobile QB the first 6-7 years of his career in Denver. Sure, he had good defenses, but they were complimentary pieces to the puzzle explaining Denver winning 3 AFCCG's in 4 years in mid-late 80s.

Steve Young disagrees, so does Fran Tarkenton and both of them played in and one of them (Young) won SBs. Both legendary QBs played well into their late 30s in an era where it was almost unheard of. Both men are in the Hall of Fame.

Roger Staubach says hi, too. Warren Moon gives his regards as well. Moon wasn't some insane Flutie-esque scrambler but he was a very mobile QB certainly capable of making things happen with his legs in college at Washington, the CFL's Edmonton Eskimos, and early on with the Houston Oilers. Both of these former starting QBs are also in the Hall of Fame.

Randall Cunningham would like to have a word with you, too. He won a few MVP awards in his time for his Micheal Vick prototype superstar athleticism in Philly for nearly a decade.

JMHO, I think it's plausible that Cam's issues may have as much to do with losing a bit of his psychological edge and some of his intensity after he and Carolina got their respective arses kicked by Denver in SB 50. I agree the nagging shoulder problems and Lis Franc injury last year exarcebated situations, but I truly believe Cam's self-confidence, esteem, inner-drive was seriously damaged after that loss and it trickled down to the team as a whole. Also, when Carolina drafted Christian McCaffrey and he emerged as this powerful dual-threat RB, the focus and direction of the offense was shifted away from him and gradually he lost some of the main focus for the first time in his entire career with the Panthers.

There were numerous moments this season where I witnessed Panthers
offense operating and executing arguably more efficiently without Cam that if they had had a Garropollo or Matthew Stafford-esque veteran QB at the helm, they might've won more games than with an untested career backup in Kyle Allen.

Cam Newton was essentially the go to goal line back for his team for the first five years of his career. That had to be more of a beating than any mobile QB in history. Those QB’s you mentioned are actually great overall QB’s, so they had sustainability. Cam Newton is great for his running ability IMO. He’s an OK passer who can make a great throw here or there, but so are many QB’s who end up being back-ups.
 
The only things that make Jameis a bad QB is turnovers. I believe that's coachable. other than that he has the physical tools. He went from leading kids to needing to learn how to lead men. I dont think he was ever shown and I would accept him on this team because he would get the chance to finally see how it's supposed to be done. I think he can be really good if coached properly and consistently.

I don't agree with you here. Interceptions is only a symptom of what is wrong with Jameis. The actual problem is that he is very bad at making decisions. When faced with two possible decisions one of which offers instant gratification (take a long shot downfield, or grab an Uber driver by the crotch) and one which has no apparent immediate upside (throw the ball away on third down, tell the uber driver you think she is hot and would like her number) Jameis is always choosing the first option. Saying interceptions is his only problem is like saying the only problem with Jeffrey Dahmer is that he killed a lot of people. Sure it is the most glaring issue at hand, but it isn't the problem itself.
 
If either were signed as a backup they would sure make good trade bait if a starting QB went down on another team
 

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