Vonn Bell to Bengals (1 Viewer)

Much more than Bell. It amazes me how overrated Bell is on this board. He is mostly the reason Marcus can’t play to his strengths because he has to worry about bells lack of coverage skills

Give me a break. This the the most classic SSF post ever. A guy leaves and immediately he gets blamed and gets called overrated. Bell did his job consistently...Williams doesn’t. Are you going to now argue that Bell was responsible for Williams ducking his head and completely missing Diggs?
 
Much more than Bell. It amazes me how overrated Bell is on this board. He is mostly the reason Marcus can’t play to his strengths because he has to worry about bells lack of coverage skills

I've been thinking that Bell might be a little overrated by us here on the board. What are we actually losing in Bell? A young Safety who is good in the box and helps in run support. Coverage isn't his strength but coverage is what we've been lacking. Our run defense has been really good the past few years so maybe we can afford to lose a good run support Safety.

And what are we gaining in Jenkins? An older Safety who is versatile and is good in coverage and decent in run support. Bell could end up becoming a Pro Bowler with the Bengals but for 2020 which player helps the team as currently constructed more? Bell or Jenkins? To me it's Jenkins strictly because of his coverage ability and having a coach on the field type vet.

I really liked having Bell on this team and I wish him nothing but the best. I hope he goes on to have a great career in the AFC.
 
Bell should be livid!

He lost 4.5 mil, that is a lot of money to any plaeyer unless you are a top 10 QB.

Bell was a good Saint, but he is a Saint no longer. I wish him well, but I’m not going to root for him or follow his career at all.

I’m a Saints fan, and in my honest opinion, the Saints made the right move.
Malcolm Jenkins is the better player right now. When Jenkins starts to slip (or his contract expires) the Saints have the next SS already on the roster, and CJ Gardner-Johnson has All-Pro SS potential in spades.
 
I've been thinking that Bell might be a little overrated by us here on the board. What are we actually losing in Bell? A young Safety who is good in the box and helps in run support. Coverage isn't his strength but coverage is what we've been lacking. Our run defense has been really good the past few years so maybe we can afford to lose a good run support Safety.

And what are we gaining in Jenkins? An older Safety who is versatile and is good in coverage and decent in run support. Bell could end up becoming a Pro Bowler with the Bengals but for 2020 which player helps the team as currently constructed more? Bell or Jenkins? To me it's Jenkins strictly because of his coverage ability and having a coach on the field type vet.

When Onyemata didn’t play vs the Texans, the defense was missing something...
When Davenport and Rankins were lost from the defense, the defense obviously felt it...
When AJ Klein was hurt, the defense took a hit... same for Kiko Alonso...
When Latt was hurt, the defense was obviously different...

But... when Vonn Bell was out and CJGJ filled-in, the defense was just as good if not a little better.

IMHO, Bell wanted to leave before CJGJ took his starting job outright, and further hurt his value.
 
This should be a lesson to current Saints players and free agents alike (2 years running, and even occurred with a team leader in Mark Ingram last season).

If the Saints and Loomis make you an offer, it’s going to be a fair offer and likely at or above market value... You need to engage and respond to the team, or they will simply move on to another option. Ingram blew it, and ended up with basically the same money on a contending Ravens team..
Bell blew it, and ended up in the arm pit of the NFL for less money.

Great post. Really great point. Loomis isn't low balling these guys at all. He's offering really fair contracts but players and agents think that they'll hit the big time on the open market.
 
Bell should be livid!

He lost 4.5 mil, that is a lot of money to any plaeyer unless you are a top 10 QB.

I doubt he’s livid. He made just under a million dollars in 2019. He’s going to make 7 million dollars in 2020.
 
It’s crazy how the Saints as a team has offered some very reasonable contracts only to watch some of these guys end up getting the same or less somewhere else because they wanted more.
 
Okay, but the Saints signed Emmanuel Sanders at $8 mil per year, which would be on the level of a 5th. That has to cancel out one of the compensatory picks gained. Maybe someone who knows more on this can comment, but I believe the Sanders signing would cancel up to the 3rd for Teddy and not down to one of the 6ths (Klein & Bell).

The Saints also signed Jenkins to a reported 8 mill/yr as well, so that plays into the comp picks picture as well.
 
The Saints also signed Jenkins to a reported 8 mill/yr as well, so that plays into the comp picks picture as well.

It doesn't. Jenkins was released. Only true FAs count.

As far as what counts we have:
Bridgewater
Apple
Bell
Klein

To negate that we have:
Sanders

Ultimately we are looking at a 3rd and two 6ths most likely. I thought we could get a 5th from Bell but he signed less than I thought.
 
Hate to see it, but at least he's in the AFC.

makes you wonder how much he and his camp were actually looking for/expecting to get for him to stall on a 7.5 mil offer to come back...
 
Hate to see it, but at least he's in the AFC.

makes you wonder how much he and his camp were actually looking for/expecting to get for him to stall on a 7.5 mil offer to come back...
Hopefully we'll get the answer at some point. Thinking the Mark Ingram situation for sure. Makes me wonder if agents are just extremely overpaid mindmdkers
 

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