COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (14 Viewers)

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They must want martial law because that's the kind of stupid shirt you pull to get martial law. Ugh, humans.
 
In fairness there's a very clear association with preexisting conditions, most notably diabetes, hypertension, and heart disease. The data is starting to come out and I think the demographics will make some uncomfortable in places like new orleans.

The NYC doctors on 60 minutes are saying they believe obesity to be the strong trend they're seeing for younger folks who get into trouble with the virus. I've also read that hypertension is believed to have some link. All of that is purely anecdotal though, and based off of true data analysis.
 
The NYC doctors on 60 minutes are saying they believe obesity to be the strong trend they're seeing for younger folks who get into trouble with the virus. I've also read that hypertension is believed to have some link. All of that is purely anecdotal though, and based off of true data analysis.

Check the louisiana stats.

Breakdown of preexisting conditions among louisiana deaths due to covid. Many people had more than one of these conditions.

Condition / % of deaths
Pulmonary: 18%
Cardiac: 23%
Diabetes: 41%
Chronic Kidney Disease: 31%
Chronic Liver Disease: 1%
Immunocompromised: 4%
Neurological: 5%
Obesity: 28%
No Underlying Conditions: 5%
 
Check the louisiana stats.

Breakdown of preexisting conditions among louisiana deaths due to covid. Many people had more than one of these conditions.

Condition / % of deaths
Pulmonary: 18%
Cardiac: 23%
Diabetes: 41%
Chronic Kidney Disease: 31%
Chronic Liver Disease: 1%
Immunocompromised: 4%
Neurological: 5%
Obesity: 28%
No Underlying Conditions: 5%

Interesting. Just yelled this info to my wife who is on the other couch, apparently kidney disease and diabetes go hand in hand, so really those top three (diabetes, kidney disease, obesity) are sort of intertwined. It's kind of shocking to me that those three are all above pre-existing issues with the lungs, which is what the virus attacks.

I'd be really interested to see this same list on a national or global scale, but with people above, say, 50 removed. The young people dying are outliers, and I think one of the most important questions we can answer is why those outliers are dying. If we can keep the risk groups at home, we will be able to move forward faster.
 
Interesting. Just yelled this info to my wife who is on the other couch, apparently kidney disease and diabetes go hand in hand, so really those top three (diabetes, kidney disease, obesity) are sort of intertwined. It's kind of shocking to me that those three are all above pre-existing issues with the lungs, which is what the virus attacks.

I'd be really interested to see this same list on a national or global scale, but with people above, say, 50 removed. The young people dying are outliers, and I think one of the most important questions we can answer is why those outliers are dying. If we can keep the risk groups at home, we will be able to move forward faster.

There's already a lot of people asking the question as to why we aren't just quarantining the particularly vulnerable instead of everyone. The path forward may indeed look like that. It's one of the reasons I'm not particularly concerned with the total number of positives. There are many, many times that amount of people who have it. They just make it through without much fuss.
 
There's already a lot of people asking the question as to why we aren't just quarantining the particularly vulnerable instead of everyone. The path forward may indeed look like that. It's one of the reasons I'm not particularly concerned with the total number of positives. There are many, many times that amount of people who have it. They just make it through without much fuss.

Agreed. I think the two most important lingering questions are the one I just mentioned and the one you're intimating, about how many people actually have it but never get symptoms or just barely do but attribute it to allergies or whatever. What if a million of us have already had it and don't even know Herd immunity would be much sooner if so.
 
There's already a lot of people asking the question as to why we aren't just quarantining the particularly vulnerable instead of everyone. The path forward may indeed look like that. It's one of the reasons I'm not particularly concerned with the total number of positives. There are many, many times that amount of people who have it. They just make it through without much fuss.

I think the problem with 'only quarantine the vulnerable' is that hospitalization rates are high - even among the general population. We have seen in Korea and New York that Covid hospitalizes a significant percentage of those infected between the ages of 20 and 50 . . . and even though their chance of dying is very small, the stress on the health-care system is great.

Perhaps if we come up with off-site ventilation wards where those who need ventilation but are likely to survive can just go with minimal support - but we're just not set up for that. Plus, the process of intubating and ventilating isn't that simple - it requires a proper team of hospital, doctor-led staff.
 
I think the problem with 'only quarantine the vulnerable' is that hospitalization rates are high - even among the general population. We have seen in Korea and New York that Covid hospitalizes a significant percentage of those infected between the ages of 20 and 50 . . . and even though their chance of dying is very small, the stress on the health-care system is great.

Perhaps if we come up with off-site ventilation wards where those who need ventilation but are likely to survive can just go with minimal support - but we're just not set up for that. Plus, the process of intubating and ventilating isn't that simple - it requires a proper team of hospital, doctor-led staff.

NPs and CRNAs can intubate as well, as can paramedics. Not dumping on your post at all, just adding a few things on. Everything you're saying makes sense.

ETA realized not everyone speaks in hospital acronyms, I've just been slowly brainwashed by my wife. NP = nurse practitioner, and CRNAs are anesthetists.
 
It's amazing how complex it is to do it right. Dont forget the sanitize the credit card before you put it back in you wallet. Also, find a gas pump facing the sun. I even try to avoid walking in areas that have a lot of foot traffic to try and prevent it from getting on my shoes.

I use the touchless cards, but the problem is they're not as widespread at gas pumps as they should be. I gotta be mindful of that depending on the station I go to.
 
Agreed. I think the two most important lingering questions are the one I just mentioned and the one you're intimating, about how many people actually have it but never get symptoms or just barely do but attribute it to allergies or whatever. What if a million of us have already had it and don't even know Herd immunity would be much sooner if so.


Is herd immunity that effective with this? I remember reading a few times that this virus has a higher than average relapse rate but I don't know how reliable the info was.
 
Agreed. I think the two most important lingering questions are the one I just mentioned and the one you're intimating, about how many people actually have it but never get symptoms or just barely do but attribute it to allergies or whatever. What if a million of us have already had it and don't even know Herd immunity would be much sooner if so.

I understand that this idea that it's been going around and many of us have already had it is appealing for a lot of reasons.

But I would be very careful with entertaining that idea. While a fix on the data remains difficult because indeed there are infections that are mild enough that the victim never gets tested - we also know from the data sets that we do have that a significant percentage of the infected need hospital care. Whether that actual percentage of overall infections is 5 percent (on the low side of any modeling or extrapolation) or 20 percent (observed rates in some localities - recognizing that many other unconfirmed cases are out there), the fact remains that "a million of us already had it" is almost certainly not true because that would have resulted in 50,000 or more hospitalizations - and that wouldn't have gone unnoticed.

Korea only had 8,900 confirmed cases - but their hospital data shows that in Daegu alone, there were (at one point) 5,000 suspect cases hospitalized and more than 2,000 waiting on hospital beds (cite below). I think the hospitals are the best gage of how widespread the outbreak is and while it's clearly more than the confirmed case number - it's not likely that we're already a million cases in.



 
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