COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (10 Viewers)

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Because Trump hasn't told him to.
Trump and Pence were just asked about his comment.

Trump couldn't stop heaping praise... Then Pence said we have issued the order for ALL Americans. (read between the lines).

I'm listening to presser and it's a clown show.
 
One thing you missed he was asked about Texas having checkpoints to stop vehicles leaving La and into Tx. He said he has no information that there are actual checkpoints going on, or that vehicles are being stopped. He did take a shot at Gov Abbott by saying he doesn't remember any checkpoints when Emergency Responders and other La residents went into Beaumont to conduct search and rescue operations a couple years ago. Bam!

I liked Edwards early on and then I had/have REALLY good reason to despise him, but I cant fault his handling of this situation at all. Give credit where credit is due
 
I understand what St. PJ is saying...... I am sure most of you all do as well... and if you folks stop trying to pick apart his post for a second... I think most of you would agree with the premise of what he's saying, and maybe disagree with some finer debatable parts of his opinion about it... most of which are unknowns (even by the most "plugged in" people that are on the front lines of this) at this point and a matter of opinion and educated deduction of how future events will play out...

Is every number being reported valid? Who knows... Probably not by a long shot. Of every confirmed case where someone has been tested, hospitalized, ventilated, or died (or all of the above)... there are probably exponentially more cases where someone has it, experiences little to no symptoms, never gets tested, never gets hospitalized, and recovers without treatment (and is never part of these numbers)... so how could they be accurate from a pure numbers or percentage standpoint? We can estimate and guess based on other factors or scenarios... but those are also just that... a guess.

It makes sense that the numbers will never be close to 100% right until everyone it tested... and if we never get to test everyone... they will never be 100% accurate...

In fact, WWL showed a stat last night that... In LA only ~700 people per 100,000 has been tested for this... I'm not a math major.... but that means as a state we have tested less than >1% of our population.... and the national numbers are far less tested on average... that means that it's completely plausible that there is huge portion of the country that has the virus, has not been tested, and feels good enough to not be tested.... which totally skews the current numbers we see today...

So what he's saying is just as good as guess as anyone's... and his argument has merit..... even if you disagree with his deduction.

Can't wait until this is over so we can go back to arguing over which rich old guy we all hate the least.

Much love, stay safe, stay home... Out.

This is my sentiments and very well said, its almost as if anyone with any sort of optimism is just wrong and is just waiting to be pounced on from a Tiger. When in reality, none of us know, its all a guessing game, for every scientist or doctor you find, you always have another one contradicting the other, its what you choose to cherry pick and we dont know so cherry picking works on both sides of the fence.

While your premises are true, I have personally seen enough images of dead bodies being loaded into freezer trucks and have also seen enough images and videos of people lined up outside of hospitals, as well as images of entire maternity wards that were forced to be outside for me to roll my eyes at any post that tries to downplay the seriousness of what is going on. Regardless of the unknowable numbers, it should be crystal clear by now to literally everyone that what is going on right now on our planet is a huge huge deal. Hundreds upon hundreds of Americans dying every day, thousands upon thousands of fellow humans dying across the globe every day from this specific virus should not be downplayed in any way whatsoever at this stage.

Anyone downplaying the severity of things at this point is simply not paying close enough attention.
 
Don't shoot the messenger......I just saw the number posted and someone asked for a source. Saw this posted on another site.....thought I would share it.


I don't have a big issue with the article, except for the fact that we really don't have a good handle on how many unreported, asymptomatic cases are actually out there. There is some debate among analysts regarding how many are out there. I think when it's all said and done, it's clear that this virus remains a mortal threat to a lot of people and we need to do what we can keep that mortality rate low. Without mitigation and if we treated this like we do the flu, there would be millions dead, and that's no exaggeration.

I was the one who asked for it, and I think there's more to the story than what was in the article.
 
I liked Edwards early on and then I had/have REALLY good reason to despise him, but I cant fault his handling of this situation at all. Give credit where credit is due
IMO, Edwards' military background has been a big plus in his manner of handling this. Our region's public health officer, Dr. Tina Stefanski has been impressive.
 
I'll just say this and let it be. If you're a Gov and waiting on the POTUS to tell you how to run your state then you're failing as GOV. Also if you're a Mayor waiting on the GOV well you get the idea.

Leadership doesn't always start at the top
 
Don't shoot the messenger......I just saw the number posted and someone asked for a source. Saw this posted on another site.....thought I would share it.

How dare you post anything optimistic!!

So .66% is the death rate based on this research that contains a lot of conjecture. Either way, a virus that is spreading this easily and quickly killing .66% of the people that get it is still a HUGE deal. I don't see how anyone doesn't get that.

That said, if you put your analytical cap on and really dig into the premise of this article, for them to say that only .66% is the true death rate while the 4% death rate are merely known cases, that assumes that there are 3.34% more cases of the virus throughout the whole population and it is not included in the total numbers, which seems like an absurdly high number on a global scale. It also assumes that every single one of the undocumented cases around the globe did not result in a death.

I need to analyze my math more, because I actually think my number in this analysis should be higher than 3.34%. It may be a number closer to 76% more unknown cases that did not result in a death, but my brain is too fried at this point of the day.

That said, regardless of any of this, there are 42,000 people that have died from this around the globe and counting, and we are merely at the beginning stages of this. The U.S. numbers will also start to skyrocket once the hospitals reach capacity and we run out of available ventilators, just as they have everywhere else.

What, at this point makes anyone think the United States' fate will be any different than any other country's? If anything, the stats show we are in store to be the worst out of everybody.
 
It's really hard to listen to Trump speak on the virus and discuss it here in the context of the coronavirus and not make negative remarks about his abilities as president. In fact, I would say it's impossible to separate those concepts.
 
One thing I know is that WHEN we come out of this, we better keep our foot down on the gas pedal for production of masks and ventilators. There will be a next time. There had better be a massive surplus of masks and ventilators sitting around waiting for it. There will be absolutely, positively, ZERO excuse for there not to be.
 
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