COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (10 Viewers)

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I meant the beds filling up overnight part during a pandemic.

Sure, they'll fill up quickly, but it won't be overnight. Even NYC took several weeks before the hospitals became overwhelmed. It just seems like we would have heard something before today and that made me curious.
 
Speaking as a former minister/pastor I have to say, the behavior of some pastors and their churches has been embarrassing. None of the many I personally know are doing this, but seeing the way some are conducting themselves very publicly should serve as a warning on what not to do to other pastors.

They, and their churches are supposed to be places of refuge and caring for one another, but the pastors are making it about them and their defiance. Disgusting, not to mention entirely out of character. Smh.
 
Seems legitimate. That's terrible. I'm not sure why we haven't heard about this before today. Those ICU beds didn't all fill up overnight, right?

We are in the midst of opening back up... That's why you haven't heard.

There are spots that will continue like this thru summer.
 
Lancet-published study on hydroxychloroquine finds that compared to patients not treated with the drug, those with the treatment showed lower survival and higher occurrence of arrhythmia.

We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19.



 
For me, the biggest failure of leadership (on all levels) is a lack of effort put forth to data collection, science, and decision support for the population.

When this is all over with, we'll likely learn that there was not much we could have done to slow it down or stop it. Sure, maybe some bad decisions were made, but we were getting overrun by the virus no matter what.

We're three months in, and we still don't definitively know:
- Whether it can spread via surfaces easily
- How realistic the odds are that one can catch it from an asymptomatic carrier
- Whether it can spread via HVAC
- What the risk levels of indoor vs. outdoor are
- What heat, humidity, and sunlight really do to the virus
- Whether or not children are viable carriers/spreaders of the virus, and to what extent?

All of these could have been figured out with some effort. Perhaps we could have taken the $50 million (or whatever) we gave Ruth's Chris via the PPP loan and build a lab specifically to test these things. Or just a billion of the trillions we are pumping into the stock market via the fed.

That's more important than anything. People are having to start making decisions balancing our livelihoods and mental health against our the physical risk of the virus. And we have almost zero reliable, definitive information to guide those decisions.

For example we have to make the decision on sending our toddler back to day care soon. Watching him 4 days a week while I try to work is not really workable long-term. But my wife and I are completely paralyzed in making a decision because we have absolutely no idea what level of risk that presents. There are articles with some presumptive data showing that kids don't really spread it. Then there are other experts saying that's not true.

We should already have this information. But we're relying on various subpar studies and "experts" from France, Korea, and China to tell us our business. As a country, we used to lead on that front. That really sucks.

We are flying blind, and we don't have to be.
 
Lancet-published study on hydroxychloroquine finds that compared to patients not treated with the drug, those with the treatment showed lower survival and higher occurrence of arrhythmia.

We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19.



Of course that's what THEY want you to believe. Probably a study paid for by China and 5G carriers.
 
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For me, the biggest failure of leadership (on all levels) is a lack of effort put forth to data collection, science, and decision support for the population.

When this is all over with, we'll likely learn that there was not much we could have done to slow it down or stop it. Sure, maybe some bad decisions were made, but we were getting overrun by the virus no matter what.

We're three months in, and we still don't definitively know:
- Whether it can spread via surfaces easily
- How realistic the odds are that one can catch it from an asymptomatic carrier
- Whether it can spread via HVAC
- What the risk levels of indoor vs. outdoor are
- What heat, humidity, and sunlight really do to the virus
- Whether or not children are viable carriers/spreaders of the virus, and to what extent?

All of these could have been figured out with some effort. Perhaps we could have taken the $50 million (or whatever) we gave Ruth's Chris via the PPP loan and build a lab specifically to test these things. Or just a billion of the trillions we are pumping into the stock market via the fed.

That's more important than anything. People are having to start making decisions balancing our livelihoods and mental health against our the physical risk of the virus. And we have almost zero reliable, definitive information to guide those decisions.

For example we have to make the decision on sending our toddler back to day care soon. Watching him 4 days a week while I try to work is not really workable long-term. But my wife and I are completely paralyzed in making a decision because we have absolutely no idea what level of risk that presents. There are articles with some presumptive data showing that kids don't really spread it. Then there are other experts saying that's not true.

We should already have this information. But we're relying on various subpar studies and "experts" from France, Korea, and China to tell us our business. As a country, we used to lead on that front. That really sucks.

We are flying blind, and we don't have to be.

This is exactly how i feel. We just decided to ease our toddler back into day care last week because me watching him and trying to work at the same time can only last so long. He came home Thursday with a temp of 104 and is being monitored for Covid-19. He took the rapid test during his emergency room trip and it was negative. However, is white cell blood count was low and had symptoms, so now is “suspected” to have it. Apparently, the rapid test is not very accurate for negatives.

It’s frustrating to say the least. These day cares need their money. They are implementing some safety protocols like dropping the kids off at the front door, lower ratios of students to classroom, and temp checks for kids before they enter. However, they say keeping the kids six feet apart is nearly impossible. I get it but maybe they should get more creative?

Just tired of the conflicting studies or lack there of. We need better assurance before we make these important decisions.
 
This is exactly how i feel. We just decided to ease our toddler back into day care last week because me watching him and trying to work at the same time can only last so long. He came home Thursday with a temp of 104 and is being monitored for Covid-19. He took the rapid test during his emergency room trip and it was negative. However, is white cell blood count was low and had symptoms, so now is “suspected” to have it. Apparently, the rapid test is not very accurate for negatives.

It’s frustrating to say the least. These day cares need their money. They are implementing some safety protocols like dropping the kids off at the front door, lower ratios of students to classroom, and temp checks for kids before they enter. However, they say keeping the kids six feet apart is nearly impossible. I get it but maybe they should get more creative?

Just tired of the conflicting studies or lack there of. We need better assurance before we make these important decisions.

Well, that doesn't help my decision :hihi:

Just kidding - appreciate the info. What did the doctor tell you in terms of the potential for you and your wife to catch it from your son?

Keep us posted on your son. Jesus. That's got to be pretty scary for your family. If I were a gambler (I am) I would probably bet that it's something else - we've all been in germ-free bubbles for two months and suddenly our kids, already germ magnets, are reintroduced to the germs of the world. But a 104 fever ain't nothin' to trifle with. Best wishes to you guys.
 
This is exactly how i feel. We just decided to ease our toddler back into day care last week because me watching him and trying to work at the same time can only last so long. He came home Thursday with a temp of 104 and is being monitored for Covid-19. He took the rapid test during his emergency room trip and it was negative. However, is white cell blood count was low and had symptoms, so now is “suspected” to have it. Apparently, the rapid test is not very accurate for negatives.

It’s frustrating to say the least. These day cares need their money. They are implementing some safety protocols like dropping the kids off at the front door, lower ratios of students to classroom, and temp checks for kids before they enter. However, they say keeping the kids six feet apart is nearly impossible. I get it but maybe they should get more creative?

Just tired of the conflicting studies or lack there of. We need better assurance before we make these important decisions.
arrggghh
This is scary as ****
 
Well, that doesn't help my decision :hihi:

Just kidding - appreciate the info. What did the doctor tell you in terms of the potential for you and your wife to catch it from your son?

Keep us posted on your son. Jesus. That's got to be pretty scary for your family. If I were a gambler (I am) I would probably bet that it's something else - we've all been in germ-free bubbles for two months and suddenly our kids, already germ magnets, are reintroduced to the germs of the world. But a 104 fever ain't nothin' to trifle with. Best wishes to you guys.

They said if he still has fever today, then to go to the pediatrician for the more accurate three day test. He had fever yesterday but it seems to be going down. No other symptoms. The night he was in hospital he could barely keep his head up and now wants to play. I’m willing to bet it is just a virus as well but they said to air on the side of caution and assume he has it. With that said, my wife says they did not tell her anything about Us as parents self quarantining. However, my wife told her office and is now off for a few days. I work from home, stay home most of the time, and wear a mask if i do have to go out.
 
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