Has the recent politicization of the Saints decreased your enthusiasm for or interest in the Saints? (1 Viewer)

[OutlawSaint]

The league has done more damage to me. The league and the officiating.

 

[Pick]

As a former political science major, this interests me. What do you think?

I think the country is going to hell in a handbasket and the Saints with it. If they start that kneeling crap this season, I'm done. After 50 years I am done. God Bless America!

 

[saint_drago]

I agree. Malcolm Jenkins would rather throw Brees under the bus for his own publicity benefit rather than has it out in private.

When the so-called veteran leader safety backstabs the proven veteran leader quarterback, it is bad news for the season to come.

They actually had it out in private. They talked on the phone and had a heart to heart moments before he posted his videos.

 

[meily]

Get alot of "stay in your place" vibes in this thread

 

[zeketombar]

I find racism heart-breaking. So, I appreciate that we are part of the conversation and that our owner empathizes with the Saints players' ideals and ideas. Mrs. Benson has been personally supportive of Demario Davis' justice work. This is more public this year, but not new.

 

[Saintamaniac]

how is he tone deaf?
the flag means something different to each person depending on their life experiences.

See, this illustrates the problem right here. How long are people going to continue to cling to "the flag" while ignoring what the protest was about? Brees said himself that he realizes that the players were not protesting the flag. How many times is it going to have to be said that the players were not protesting the flag?

Does it matter that a former green beret came up with the idea to kneel?
Do the people who continually choose to focus on the flag think they love this country and the flag more than a green beret? Kaepernick and other players started the protest in 2016. Very little was said about it or even noticed. A year later Trump calls players SOB's and what do you know, people are suddenly outraged. Little or no outrage in 2016.

This is why a conversation can't be had. (Comment not directed at @gregh ) Some of the same people who get P'Oed off if someone accuses them of being a racist because of something they said or did are the same ones who continually ignore what the players said they were protesting.

Those people who keep talking about disrespecting the flag have no desire to have a conversation about anything unless it begins with ending protests. This wasn't new. It's been 3 years since the first protest. 3 years since players told everyone they were not protesting the flag.

What kind of American gets mad at someone for excercising their constitutionally guaranteed rights? I have an idea; the kind of American who thinks it only belongs to them and not to others.

 

[FatCitySaint]

Get alot of "stay in your place" vibes in this thread

I promise you I have no thoughts or thinking of that manner. So when does the way YOU feel become your issue that you work on and deal with? Or does everyone else have to walk on eggshells to not hurt your feelings or make you feel a certain way?

No maliciousness here just an honest question.

 

[Quiet Storm]

For the most part, no. I did think the reaction to Brees was unfair considering it was his belief. Jenkins has become annoying to me. But all is forgotten if and when the season starts. Our nation just needs something to take our minds off what's going on in this world.

My enthusiasm was sky high after signing Sanders but it's been tamper down now with the possibility of there being no season.

 

[Walter White]

I think the country is going to hell in a handbasket and the Saints with it. If they start that kneeling crap this season, I'm done. After 50 years I am done. God Bless America!

Bye Felicia!! If you've been around for 50 years and can't see anything wrong then maybe you're a part of the problem.

 

[dbridge]

The league has done more damage to me. The league and the officiating.

Yes. This applies to me too. The bountygate fiasco and the NOLA no-call did way more to dampen my enthusiasm for football over the years than anything that has happened this off-season.

 

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I am, however, pretty much done as the tone of any discussion always starts with the assumption that everyone who disagrees or even questions a certain point of is racist.

Absolutely fantastic summation of today's reality.

 

[gregh]

See, this illustrates the problem right here. How long are people going to continue to cling to "the flag" while ignoring what the protest was about? Brees said himself that he realizes that the players were not protesting the flag. How many times is it going to have to be said that the players were not protesting the flag?

Does it matter that a former green beret came up with the idea to kneel?
Do the people who continually choose to focus on the flag think they love this country and the flag more than a green beret? Kaepernick and other players started the protest in 2016. Very little was said about it or even noticed. A year later Trump calls players SOB's and what do you know, people are suddenly outraged. Little or no outrage in 2016.

This is why a conversation can't be had. (Comment not directed at @gregh ) Some of the same people who get P'Oed off if someone accuses them of being a racist because of something they said or did are the same ones who continually ignore what the players said they were protesting.

Those people who keep talking about disrespecting the flag have no desire to have a conversation about anything unless it begins with ending protests. This wasn't new. It's been 3 years since the first protest. 3 years since players told everyone they were not protesting the flag.

What kind of American gets mad at someone for exercising their constitutionally guaranteed rights? I have an idea; the kind of American who thinks it only belongs to them and not to others.

so you cant have respect for a country/flag people died for to have the right to protest, while also acknowledging the reasons for the protest?

you said "What kind of American gets mad at someone for exercising their constitutionally guaranteed rights? " then what kind of American goes after Brees for what he said? isn't it his right to express his opinion as well. i think people want to hear someone's opinion only when its their's.. if its not you're labeled whatever flavor of the day they want. that's a mob mentality...

 

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so you cant have respect for a country/flag people died for to have the right to protest, while also acknowledging the reasons for the protest?

you said "What kind of American gets mad at someone for exercising their constitutionally guaranteed rights? " then what kind of American goes after Brees for what he said? isn't it his right to express his opinion as well. i think people want to hear someone's opinion only when its their's.. if its not you're labeled whatever flavor of the day they want. that's a mob mentality...

I love the way Allen West takes it to "BLM" here:

A black man's letter to Black Lives Matter

In the aftermath of the George Floyd incident, everyone seems to want to have a conversation about race in America.

www.thedesertreview.com

His jab at white progressives was also great.

 

[dtc]

Just stop.

There was zero reason for him to release that video rant on Drew Brees.

Sure there was.

It made it impossible for Drew to continue to keep his head up his rear and refuse to understand what he was being told by the people directly involved.

It also advanced the discussion about inherent racism in this country that's buried so deeply and is so pervasive that many of us don't even know it. I, myself, would never have thought of changing the name of Dixie beer or read the 3 not so well known verses of the Star Spangled Banner, but things like this force us to look more deeply at our past and to hopefully mve forward stronger for having done it.

 

[dtc]

how is he tone deaf?
the flag means something different to each person depending on their life experiences. who is to say who is right or wrong just because he believed in something different? his family members fought for the freedoms of everyone here and the freedom of countless other countries that the USA has helped over the years ( WW1, WW2, etc), atleast thats where i think he was coming from. everyone isnt a racist that has a different POV. i think Brees has proven himself of that over the years...
so much for tolerance these days that people claim to have...

You're doing what Brees did and refusing to listen to what you're being told by the actual people doing the protest.

You can believe whatever you want, but when someone tells you directly that what they're doing isn't what you think it is, you can listen and believe them or you can be wrong.