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I mentioned this in a different thread, but I thought it worth a separate discussion (in reaction to a comment from Saint Kamara). It's at least interesting.
Over the past 4 years, the 2020 Saints are 36th out of 128 teams in YPG but an awful 118th out of 128 teams in PPG. We are giving up a point for every 11.32 yards they give up: 29P PG vs. just 328.3 YPG. In contrast, the best ratio (over the past few years (the 2017 Pats) gave up a point for every 19 yards they gave up (18.5PPG vs. 366 YPG).
In fact, I went back as far as 2009 (at work, so...) and didn't find another team that gave up points at such a high rate vs. yards given up.
(See below for the 2020-2017 numbers, based on data from https://www.footballdb.com.)
Explanations? Awful red zone defense, for sure. The YPG is actually higher once you take penalties into consideration? Maybe the difference between an awful D and a sensational O: the other team doesn't get the ball often when we control the clock, but when they do, they score?
I'm hoping this is a statistical aberration, and things correct/regress toward the mean.
Over the past 4 years, the 2020 Saints are 36th out of 128 teams in YPG but an awful 118th out of 128 teams in PPG. We are giving up a point for every 11.32 yards they give up: 29P PG vs. just 328.3 YPG. In contrast, the best ratio (over the past few years (the 2017 Pats) gave up a point for every 19 yards they gave up (18.5PPG vs. 366 YPG).
In fact, I went back as far as 2009 (at work, so...) and didn't find another team that gave up points at such a high rate vs. yards given up.
(See below for the 2020-2017 numbers, based on data from https://www.footballdb.com.)
Explanations? Awful red zone defense, for sure. The YPG is actually higher once you take penalties into consideration? Maybe the difference between an awful D and a sensational O: the other team doesn't get the ball often when we control the clock, but when they do, they score?
I'm hoping this is a statistical aberration, and things correct/regress toward the mean.
Team | Pts/G | Yds/G | Ratio |
2017 New England PatriotsNew England | 18.5 | 366 | 19.78378 |
2020 Baltimore RavensBaltimore | 17.3 | 339.8 | 19.64162 |
2019 New England PatriotsNew England | 14.1 | 275.9 | 19.56738 |
2017 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers | 17 | 328.4 | 19.31765 |
2020 Miami DolphinsMiami | 18.8 | 360.2 | 19.15957 |
2019 Buffalo BillsBuffalo | 16.2 | 298.2 | 18.40741 |
2019 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City | 19.2 | 349.6 | 18.20833 |
2020 Arizona CardinalsArizona | 20.9 | 378.4 | 18.10526 |
2019 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota | 18.9 | 341.6 | 18.07407 |
2019 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay | 19.6 | 352.6 | 17.9898 |
2020 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City | 20.4 | 361.6 | 17.72549 |
2018 New England PatriotsNew England | 20.3 | 359.1 | 17.68966 |
2020 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams | 17.7 | 312.9 | 17.67797 |
2018 Tennessee TitansTennessee | 18.9 | 333.4 | 17.64021 |
2017 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota | 15.8 | 275.9 | 17.46203 |
2019 Chicago BearsChicago | 18.6 | 324.1 | 17.42473 |
2019 Tennessee TitansTennessee | 20.7 | 359.5 | 17.36715 |
2018 Houston TexansHouston | 19.8 | 343.1 | 17.32828 |
2017 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City | 21.2 | 365.1 | 17.2217 |
2017 Baltimore RavensBaltimore | 18.9 | 325.1 | 17.20106 |
2020 Chicago BearsChicago | 20 | 342 | 17.1 |
2019 Baltimore RavensBaltimore | 17.6 | 300.6 | 17.07955 |
2017 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville | 16.8 | 286.1 | 17.02976 |
2019 Denver BroncosDenver | 19.8 | 337 | 17.0202 |
2018 Chicago BearsChicago | 17.7 | 299.7 | 16.9322 |
2018 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia | 21.8 | 366.2 | 16.79817 |
2018 Denver BroncosDenver | 21.8 | 365.1 | 16.74771 |
2020 SeahawksSeattle | 28.7 | 479.2 | 16.69686 |
2017 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia | 18.4 | 306.5 | 16.65761 |
2017 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans | 20.4 | 336.5 | 16.4951 |
2017 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams | 20.6 | 339.5 | 16.48058 |
2018 Baltimore RavensBaltimore | 17.9 | 292.9 | 16.36313 |
2018 Dallas CowboysDallas | 20.2 | 329.2 | 16.29703 |
2018 Seattle SeahawksSeattle | 21.7 | 353.3 | 16.28111 |
2019 Dallas CowboysDallas | 20.1 | 327 | 16.26866 |
2018 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers | 20.6 | 333.7 | 16.19903 |
2017 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta | 19.7 | 318.4 | 16.16244 |
2019 Houston TexansHouston | 24.1 | 388.3 | 16.11203 |
2019 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh | 18.9 | 304.1 | 16.08995 |
2018 Cleveland BrownsCleveland | 24.5 | 393 | 16.04082 |
2017 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh | 19.2 | 306.9 | 15.98438 |
2020 San Fran2020 cisco 49ersSan Francisco | 19.4 | 309.6 | 15.95876 |
2017 Chicago BearsChicago | 20 | 319.1 | 15.955 |
2017 Buffalo BillsBuffalo | 22.4 | 355.1 | 15.85268 |
2017 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay | 23.9 | 378.1 | 15.82008 |
2018 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans | 22.1 | 349.1 | 15.79638 |
2018 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis | 21.5 | 339.4 | 15.78605 |
2018 Washington RedskinsWashington | 22.4 | 353.4 | 15.77679 |
2020 Tennessee TitansTennessee | 25.5 | 401.8 | 15.75686 |
2018 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville | 19.8 | 311.4 | 15.72727 |
2019 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans | 21.3 | 333.1 | 15.6385 |
2017 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati | 21.8 | 339.1 | 15.55505 |
2017 Carolina PanthersCarolina | 20.4 | 317.1 | 15.54412 |
2017 Seattle SeahawksSeattle | 20.8 | 323.2 | 15.53846 |
2017 New York GiantsNY Giants | 24.2 | 373.2 | 15.42149 |
2018 Kansas City ChiefsKansas City | 26.3 | 405.5 | 15.41825 |
2019 Seattle SeahawksSeattle | 24.9 | 381.6 | 15.3253 |
2017 Dallas CowboysDallas | 20.8 | 318.1 | 15.29327 |
2019 Detroit LionsDetroit | 26.4 | 400.4 | 15.16667 |
2017 Detroit LionsDetroit | 23.5 | 355.8 | 15.14043 |
2020 New England PatriotsNew England | 23.8 | 360.3 | 15.13866 |
2019 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville | 24.8 | 375.4 | 15.1371 |
2019 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati | 26.2 | 393.7 | 15.02672 |
2017 Oakland RaidersOakland | 23.3 | 350.1 | 15.02575 |
2019 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia | 22.1 | 331.7 | 15.00905 |
2020 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis | 19.2 | 288 | 15 |
2018 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams | 24 | 358.6 | 14.94167 |
2019 Los Angeles RamsLA Rams | 22.8 | 339.6 | 14.89474 |
2018 Detroit LionsDetroit | 22.5 | 335 | 14.88889 |
2019 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis | 23.3 | 346.8 | 14.88412 |
2018 Carolina PanthersCarolina | 23.9 | 353.2 | 14.77824 |
2017 Tennessee TitansTennessee | 22.2 | 328 | 14.77477 |
2017 New York JetsNY Jets | 23.9 | 352.2 | 14.7364 |
2017 San Francisco 49ersSan Francisco | 23.9 | 351.6 | 14.7113 |
2019 Cleveland BrownsCleveland | 24.6 | 361.6 | 14.69919 |
2020 Carolina PanthersCarolina | 24 | 351.1 | 14.62917 |
2017 Indianapolis ColtsIndianapolis | 25.2 | 367.1 | 14.56746 |
2019 Arizona CardinalsArizona | 27.6 | 402 | 14.56522 |
2018 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta | 26.4 | 384.5 | 14.56439 |
2018 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati | 28.4 | 413.6 | 14.56338 |
2018 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh | 22.5 | 327.2 | 14.54222 |
2018 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota | 21.3 | 309.7 | 14.53991 |
2017 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay | 24 | 348.9 | 14.5375 |
2020 Pittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh | 19.7 | 286.3 | 14.53299 |
2019 San Francisco 49ersSan Francisco | 19.4 | 281.8 | 14.52577 |
2019 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers | 21.6 | 313.1 | 14.49537 |
2018 Miami DolphinsMiami | 27.1 | 391.1 | 14.43173 |
2019 New York JetsNY Jets | 22.4 | 323.1 | 14.42411 |
2018 New York GiantsNY Giants | 25.8 | 371.4 | 14.39535 |
2020 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta | 29.6 | 425.9 | 14.38851 |
2017 Washington RedskinsWashington | 24.2 | 347.9 | 14.37603 |
2020 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay | 20.3 | 291.3 | 14.34975 |
2020 New York GiantsNY Giants | 24.9 | 356.3 | 14.30924 |
2019 Atlanta FalconsAtlanta | 24.9 | 355.8 | 14.28916 |
2020 Cincinnati BengalsCincinnati | 27.7 | 395.1 | 14.26354 |
2020 Los Angeles ChargersLA Chargers | 25.7 | 366.2 | 14.24903 |
2018 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay | 25 | 354.4 | 14.176 |
2019 Washington RedskinsWashington | 27.2 | 385.1 | 14.15809 |
2020 Buffalo BillsBuffalo | 25.4 | 359.3 | 14.14567 |
2020 Detroit LionsDetroit | 27.5 | 380.5 | 13.83636 |
2018 New York JetsNY Jets | 27.6 | 380.4 | 13.78261 |
2017 Arizona CardinalsArizona | 22.6 | 310.9 | 13.75664 |
2017 Miami DolphinsMiami | 24.6 | 335.7 | 13.64634 |
2019 Oakland RaidersOakland | 26.2 | 354.8 | 13.54198 |
2020 Jacksonville JaguarsJacksonville | 31.4 | 424.4 | 13.51592 |
2018 Arizona CardinalsArizona | 26.6 | 358.8 | 13.48872 |
2020 Houston TexansHouston | 31 | 417.6 | 13.47097 |
2019 New York GiantsNY Giants | 28.2 | 377.3 | 13.37943 |
2020 Denver BroncosDenver | 25.5 | 339.2 | 13.30196 |
2020 New York JetsNY Jets | 29 | 385 | 13.27586 |
2018 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay | 29 | 383.4 | 13.22069 |
2020 Green Bay PackersGreen Bay | 26.5 | 350.3 | 13.21887 |
2020 Washington Football TeamWashington | 23.6 | 309.1 | 13.09746 |
2018 Oakland RaidersOakland | 29.2 | 381.4 | 13.06164 |
2020 Minnesota VikingsMinnesota | 32 | 413.7 | 12.92813 |
2019 Miami DolphinsMiami | 30.9 | 397.8 | 12.87379 |
2017 Cleveland BrownsCleveland | 25.6 | 328.1 | 12.81641 |
2018 San Francisco 49ersSan Francisco | 27.2 | 346.6 | 12.74265 |
2017 Houston TexansHouston | 27.2 | 346.6 | 12.74265 |
2019 Carolina PanthersCarolina | 29.4 | 374.5 | 12.7381 |
2018 Buffalo BillsBuffalo | 23.4 | 294.1 | 12.56838 |
2020 Philadelphia EaglesPhiladelphia | 28 | 350.9 | 12.53214 |
2020 Las Vegas RaidersLas Vegas | 32.8 | 403.7 | 12.30793 |
2019 Tampa Bay BuccaneersTampa Bay | 28.1 | 343.9 | 12.23843 |
2017 Denver BroncosDenver | 23.9 | 290 | 12.13389 |
2020 Cleveland BrownsCleveland | 31.6 | 380.3 | 12.03481 |
2020 Dallas CowboysDallas | 34.7 | 408.1 | 11.76081 |
2020 New Orleans SaintsNew Orleans | 29 | 328.3 | 11.32069 |