Saints must figure out a way to draft Mac Jones (1 Viewer)

[BBarnes]

First I’ve watched any college all year...that receiver is the truth. I’d also not be upset if we took Najee Harris. Stud.
#6 tho is unbelievable.

I’ll pass on Jones. Of course he looks good, he’s surrounded by elite talent. Who’s the last QB to come out of Bama and be amazing? Namath? Stabler?

Could have said the same about LSU last season but no one in their right mind would pass on Burrow. Not saying I want Jones. I think he’s the 4th or 5th best QB coming out though and would not be upset with him at all.

 

[Noble Saint]

I think Mac Jones is going to be a good NFL quarterback and I am a Bama hater. I think he has the ability to throw people open better than any Bama QB I’ve seen. Any comparisons to AJ McCarron are laughable, IMO. I think his ceiling is something around a Big Ben type player In the NFL.

 

[Nonreg]

This thread is 6+ pages long so I assume it’s been mentioned already:

Bama has 4 #1 WR on that team and multiple NFL offensive lineman

Mac Jones could be good, but he’s been surrounded completely with talent that could pad his stats

 

[tjharris]

I think all the QBs in this years draft class are over hyped. Last year was much better.
I think Lawrence is a great prospect but not can't miss. The top 4 QBs all have to improve to stick in the NFL. Lawrence, Fields, Jones and Wilson all have the potential to bust. I wouldn't trade up for any of them.

 

[Kendall.boyer45]

This thread is 6+ pages long so I assume it’s been mentioned already:

Bama has 4 #1 WR on that team and multiple NFL offensive lineman

Mac Jones could be good, but he’s been surrounded completely with talent that could pad his stats

You would be shocked to find that those 6 pages are more about Michael Thomas than Mac Jones lol

 

[NOFALCONS10]

This thread is 6+ pages long so I assume it’s been mentioned already:

Bama has 4 #1 WR on that team and multiple NFL offensive lineman

Mac Jones could be good, but he’s been surrounded completely with talent that could pad his stats

Believe it or not you're the first to mention that, actually.

 

[HogsNSaints]

He was my top receiver that year. Matt Miller also had him #1. More importantly, Saints had him graded him a first rounder and would have taken him in round 1 if Rankins was not available.


Actually, It was not the exact same department. Ryan Pace and Rick Reiprish were in charge at the time. There were also some different scouts in place. Indeed, they whiffed on Adams and Robinson.

But why didn’t you mention the player who you wanted them to draft at #27? It was Kelvin Benjamin. We debated this. Last I checked, Benjamin is out the league. Say what you want about Cook, but he’s been the most productive receiver to come out of the 2014 NFL Draft in terms of receiving yards. A lot of that has to do with Odell Beckham’s injuries but fact of the matter is Cooks has had 1000 yard seasons with 4 different teams. I’d take Adams, who is the most prolific in terms of scoring touchdowns, over him. But Cooks, while not a desirable #1, has been very, very productive. And that is more than can be said about Benjamin who lasted all of 4 seasons. And keep in mind, you rated Benjamin over Adams and Robinson so please do not revise the past. You also had Donte Moncrief ranked higher than Cooks if I recall correctly.

Bottom line is, we all get some right, we all get some wrong. Like Devin Taylor, Dion Jordan, and KeKe Mingo though at least the latter two are still in the league. But the draft is an inexact science for a reason. You can be and have been wrong before. I’m old enough to remember.

The against who argument is so subjective and is designed to privilege your analysis over others. And it is as “lazy” as the analysis on Mac Jones that you are criticized as such.

They did pass on Robinson and Juice Landry and even Trai Turner if I remember correctly for SBJ. All colossal errors. Of course, they desperately needed help at CB and reached for a developmental prospect who played receiver for most of his pre-professional career. The Saints were also hoping to imitate Seattle with the big corners and it failed. It happens just like it did with Byrd. In the end, double-dipping at receiver or taking a lineman made the most sense as I also remember thinking as the pick was being made that they should have taken Gabe Jackson.. But I think they learned from it and they upgraded the scouting department. They have not been perfect but over the past 4-5 years they have done better than the vast majority of the league.

Different staff. And if they had taken who you wanted, they would have really bombed the draft since, again, Kelvin Benjamin is out of the league. But Cooks was productive here and was flipped for a first that became 2-time all pro Ryan Ramcyzk. That’s much more than the Panthers can say they got from Buffalo for Benjamin.

Your inability or rather unwillingness to admit you were wrong about Thomas is absolutely stunning. C’mon dude, again, we are all wrong from time to time. Hopefully we find ourselves more right than wrong. You do a lot of homework on the draft. You and I both know you have had some head-scratching evaluations over the years. But I love that you have the courage of your convictions and I love that you are willing to go against the grain/think outside the box. At times, it serves you well and that can earn you good social capital around here. But don’t burn it all up by being obnoxious simply because a few persons in this thread dare not see what you see in Mac Jones when you are not anymore qualified than they are to assess college prospects. Maybe more dedicated, but not so elevated in your ability to scout talent that only your opinions matter or that you can admit being wrong.

This post bangs so many nails on the head but it is completely on deaf ears. The guy is lost in his own sauce.

Several people on this board watch and dig deep into draft prospects. We are all correct and incorrect at essentially the same rate. There are so many issues with some of his evaluations and so many issues with some of his critiques of a staff that is way better than him at this. But he is delusional.

Also, I don’t think it’s been mentioned yet but if we followed this guy’s draft demands we would have about 7 WRs in the first two rounds of every draft by this point.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

This post bangs so many nails on the head but it is completely on deaf ears. The guy is lost in his own sauce.

Several people on this board watch and dig deep into draft prospects. We are all correct and incorrect at essentially the same rate. There are so many issues with some of his evaluations and so many issues with some of his critiques of a staff that is way better than him at this. But he is delusional.

Also, I don’t think it’s been mentioned yet but if we followed this guy’s draft demands we would have about 7 WRs in the first two rounds of every draft by this point.

Says the guy who thought it was "goofy" to draft Claypool last year.

And that DK Metcalf was a bad fit for this team.

What a joke.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

This post bangs so many nails on the head but it is completely on deaf ears. The guy is lost in his own sauce.

Several people on this board watch and dig deep into draft prospects. We are all correct and incorrect at essentially the same rate. There are so many issues with some of his evaluations and so many issues with some of his critiques of a staff that is way better than him at this. But he is delusional.

Also, I don’t think it’s been mentioned yet but if we followed this guy’s draft demands we would have about 7 WRs in the first two rounds of every draft by this point.

By the way, your highness how is that bet working out for you?

Claypool 13 tds including playoffs to Jeudy's 3.


But I'm the one who is delusional?

 

[jboss]

Says the guy who thought it was "goofy" to draft Claypool last year.

And that DK Metcalf was a bad fit for this team.

What a joke.

Dude it's ok to be a draft nerd. I dabbled in draft nerdery myself a few years. But don't try to act like it qualifies you as some kind of draft expert or scout. It's pretty obvious you're enthralled with Mac Jones. Most people on here are not gonna share the same enthusiasm.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

Dude it's ok to be a draft nerd. I dabbled in draft nerdery myself a few years. But don't try to act like it qualifies you as some kind of draft expert or scout. It's pretty obvious you're enthralled with Mac Jones. Most people on here are not gonna share the same enthusiasm.

And I'm not required to share your lack of enthusiasm or join on on the "Jones is the next Matt Barkley" nonsense that's being thrown around either.

Fair enough?

 

[HogsNSaints]

Says the guy who thought it was "goofy" to draft Claypool last year.

And that DK Metcalf was a bad fit for this team.

What a joke.

You keep running victory laps that make you look ridiculous. The majority of the draft analyzing world had Stanley Jean-Baptiste as a reach. He was a strange pick in the eyes of most of the media, so saying you preferred another expected 2nd round talent and were right is not indicative of your genius. It’s indicative of a very normal take.

SJB was a reach at a pick he was never projected to go, because the staff saw him and saw Richard Sherman.. He was not. What’s crazy is, you’ve done the exact same type of thing on this board and try to wash it away.. You wanted John Cominsky in the top 2-3 rounds because you saw Aaron Donald. He was not. You wanted Hunter Dimick in the top 2-3 rounds because you saw Myles Garrett. You are wrong too.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

You keep running victory laps that make you look ridiculous. The majority of the draft analyzing world had Stanley Jean-Baptiste as a reach. He was a strange pick in the eyes of most of the media, so saying you preferred another expected 2nd round talent and were right is not indicative of your genius. It’s indicative of a very normal take.

SJB was a reach at a pick he was never projected to go, because the staff saw him and saw Richard Sherman.. He was not. What’s crazy is, you’ve done the exact same type of thing on this board and try to wash it away.. You wanted John Cominsky in the top 2-3 rounds because you saw Aaron Donald. He was not. You wanted Hunter Dimick in the top 2-3 rounds because you saw Myles Garrett. You are wrong too.

Well yes, of course I'm going to run victory laps around clown posters who decided to be so vocal and yet so wrong about Jeudy being better than Claypool to the point that they made it their goal in life to derail every single post I made about the guy.

If that wasn't enough, stalk me around the forum because I made them look like a complete arse for taking such a foolish bet in the first place.

And for What It's worth I wanted Cominsky (and still want) at DT, not DE, just Like I wanted McDowell at DE, not DT.


I don't back down from projections simply because the players I like never got a chance to play at positions I liked them at.

When did I ever say that I liked Dimick in rd 3? I remember liking the guy but I don't remember that early, but yes, he definitely looked like a solid mid-rounder.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

Furthermore @HogsNSaints and @60minutes history has borne out that a combination of Guys like Adams and Robinson was indeed superior to a trade up for Cooks.

Both Robinson and Adams have over 100 tds combined compared to only 57 for Cooks.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

Lastly, clown posters will say just about anything to discredit me after losing a bet that completely blew up in their face.

If I was so enamored only with wrs then why am I clamoring so much for a QB like Jones and MLB like Zaven Collins in round 1 this year?

Make it make sense.