Gone With The Wind Temporally Removed From HBO MAX (Or How To Look Back On Controversial Media) (1 Viewer)

New series starts tonight
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Loving classic films can be a fraught pastime. Just consider the cultural firestorm over “Gone With the Wind” this past summer. No one knows this better than the film lovers at Turner Classic Movies who daily are confronted with the complicated reality that many of old Hollywood’s most celebrated films are also often a kitchen sink of stereotypes.

This summer, amid the Black Lives Matter protests, the channel’s programmers and hosts decided to do something about it.

The result is a new series, “ Reframed Classics,” which promises wide-ranging discussions about 18 culturally significant films from the 1920s through the 1960s that also have problematic aspects, from “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” and Mickey Rooney’s performance as Mr. Yunioshi to Fred Astaire’s blackface routine in “Swing Time.” It kicks off Thursday at 8 p.m. ET with none other than “Gone With the Wind.”


“We know millions of people love these films,” said TCM host Jacqueline Stewart, who is participating in many of the conversations. “We’re not saying this is how you should feel about ‘Pyscho’ or this is how you should feel about ‘Gone with the Wind.’

We’re just trying to model ways of having longer and deeper conversations and not just cutting it off to ‘I love this movie. I hate this movie.’ There’s so much space in between.”..............

 
the Fred Astaire one is the one that hurts the most (along with Bugs Bunny blackface)
but maybe it's better to show Bojangles and the actual artistic scions than Fred's 'homage'
 
I remember the days when the biggest controversy over old movies was "colorizing".
 
In Technicolor.
You remember what I'm talking about, right? It was mostly a Ted Turner thing and his decision to colorize old black and white films ... like Casablanca or It's a Wonderful Life
 
New series starts tonight
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Loving classic films can be a fraught pastime. Just consider the cultural firestorm over “Gone With the Wind” this past summer. No one knows this better than the film lovers at Turner Classic Movies who daily are confronted with the complicated reality that many of old Hollywood’s most celebrated films are also often a kitchen sink of stereotypes.

This summer, amid the Black Lives Matter protests, the channel’s programmers and hosts decided to do something about it.

The result is a new series, “ Reframed Classics,” which promises wide-ranging discussions about 18 culturally significant films from the 1920s through the 1960s that also have problematic aspects, from “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” and Mickey Rooney’s performance as Mr. Yunioshi to Fred Astaire’s blackface routine in “Swing Time.” It kicks off Thursday at 8 p.m. ET with none other than “Gone With the Wind.”


“We know millions of people love these films,” said TCM host Jacqueline Stewart, who is participating in many of the conversations. “We’re not saying this is how you should feel about ‘Pyscho’ or this is how you should feel about ‘Gone with the Wind.’

We’re just trying to model ways of having longer and deeper conversations and not just cutting it off to ‘I love this movie. I hate this movie.’ There’s so much space in between.”..............



"Let's hold your hand while we watch this old movie and explain why old movies express old ideas..."

just send me the blu ray
 
when the problem all along was whitizing

So, I hadn't heard of this term before. Had to look it up. Lol.

 
i encourage you to go back through the thread - i thought it was a mostly civil/interesting discussion
but
to address your question, consider this"
Jim Crow was the black face character name of a white dude who had learned some old "negro songs"
at first he just tried to sing the songs and the crowds were kinda 'meh' but then he started exaggerating 'black' mannerisms and he (and blackface performers afterwards) noticed that was really no limit to how buffoonish they could make those characters - the audience wanted them as cartoonish as possible
this minstrelry exploded in popularity - the reason they were called "Jim Crow" laws was because the dominant idea that white people had about black people (all over but also specifically in the South) was from seeing them portrayed, parodied, lampooned, mocked, et al on the minstrel stages
"I've seen the way black people really are (on minstrel stages) and it's clear that they are too dumb to police themselves so we'll have to do it for them"

so now consider GWTW - even in 2021, it's still hard as heck to have slavery taught in schools anywhere close to contextually accurate - and you better believe that was the case when GWTW came out and many decades afterwards
GWTW was the best selling book of its time by a wide margin AND then the most popular movie - it's easy to surmise that the dominant narrative about slavery came from GWTW - that slavery 'wasn't that bad'
can you see the lingering social, cultural, political fallout that it has had?
Why in the world would we NOT want that contextualized?
Gone with the Wind was also one of Adolf Hitler's favorite Hollywood movies. He would occasionally watch the film in a especially-constructed private theater in his Berghof mountain home,(sort of the Third Reich's Camp David in south German Alps) and he had a SS bodyguard subordinate translate the movie's English dialogue into his ear after every scene. Hitler wasn't a very fluent English speaker, per say equivalent to lets say Albert Speer or as diplomatic. Nazi propaganda minister Georbels observed the movie portrayed a naive, idealic pastoral, pre-industriailized romantic view of the antebellum South while many individual German filmgoers reportedly made longing references to how the film was a similar characterization of the Nazis VolksGemenieShaat, or Volkstaat, or "People's Ethnic Community", a larger pan-German super-state agrarian Aryan master race where ethnic German communities all over central and Eastern Europe (Nazi propagandists also included UK, or the British Empire, as falling within the boundaries of what they constituted historical or racially shared German ancestry, as well as the Old Norse Viking culture of Scandivinavian countries) that ruled over and populated a larger, " subhuman" Slavic untermensch societies or populations in Poland, Baltic states, modern-day Russia, Ukraine, and so on.

One other complaint about GWTW is how one of the film's main character, and female herione, is depicted as some defiant, strong-willed, resilient woman whereas in reality she's demanding, is belittling, insults or bad mouths family members, friends in their presence and is incredibly naive about the harsh, cruel realities of how the wider world works or how serious or potentially destructive her current surrounding circumstances really get as the novel or the film progresses.
 
One other complaint about GWTW is how one of the film's main character, and female herione, is depicted as some defiant, strong-willed, resilient woman whereas in reality she's demanding, is belittling, insults or bad mouths family members, friends in their presence and is incredibly naive about the harsh, cruel realities of how the wider world works or how serious or potentially destructive her current surrounding circumstances really get as the novel or the film progresses.
But Vivien Leigh gave us the best RBF ever.
 
Pepe Le Pew removed from upcoming Space Jam 2
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25 years after starring alongside Michael Jordan in the original Space Jam, the Looney Tunes are preparing to lace up and take the court with LeBron James in the sequel, Space Jam: A New Legacy. But one familiar character will be staying in the locker room: sources at Warner Bros. have said that amorous cartoon skunk, Pepé Le Pew, will not be featured in the upcoming film, which is set to premiere in theaters and on HBO Max on July 16.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, the controversial character — who made his first appearance in 1945 — was cut from the movie over a year ago. But the news is coming to light amid an ongoing reckoning with the pop culture of yesteryear, including the recent announcements that Disney+ has put content warnings on select episodes of The Muppet Show, and Dr. Seuss Enterprises ceasing publication of six of the late author's books. Both of those decisions infuriated conservative critics, who held them up as examples of "cancel culture" run amok...............

Pepé Le Pew has been cut from the 'Space Jam' sequel (msn.com)

 

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