TV WandaVision (1 Viewer)

[Sun Wukong]

Sun can explain it better but Shield was under Marvel Studios which was part of Marvel Entertainment
in the aftermath of the Feige v Perlmutter feud, ‘studios’ became part of MCU (this all happened while Shield was running)
and while there are instances of the show reaching up to include movie elements, the movies never really acknowledged the show (I mean SHIELD was destroyed in the movies)
Feige probably looks at AOS similar to the way he looks at Sony and Fox

This is it, basically. The ABC and Netflix shows came from a time before Feige had truly consolidated his power at Marvel Studios and were the brainchild of Ike Perlmutter (Chairman of Marvel Entertainment) and Jeph Loeb, who Ike had put in charge of Marvel TV. Feige didn't want them, they weren't part of his vision for the MCU, and his relationship with Perlmutter was terrible (to be fair, Ike is legitimately insane and not a good person) to the point that when his first contract with Disney was up he went to Bob Iger and basically said "If we don't do something about this, I'm walking." Iger restructured Marvel so that Feige only answered to him, and the only thing Perlmutter and Loeb really had say over was TV.

Now, Feige is running the whole show at Marvel from a creative standpoint, from movies to TV and even including being Chief Creative Officer in publishing. Perlmutter has been marginalized within the company to basically just being a major shareholder with no real executive power anymore and Loeb retired after essentially being told by Feige his services would no longer be needed.

The best way I ever heard it put was "The shows like to think they take place in the MCU. The movies don't feel the same way." Or think of it this way: ABC greenlit a show about SHIELD agents and almost immediately SHIELD is disbanded and destroyed in the movies. That always struck me as hilarious. Whatever the case, in AoS' seven year run, the movies never acknowledged that show once aside from a possible throwaway mention from Fury in Age of Ultron about getting the hellicarrier from an "old friend." And even then that was probably Joss Whedon throwing a nod to his brother who was AoS showrunner.

So whether or not those shows reference the movies is immaterial to the fact that Feige didn't want the shows, doesn't really regard them as "his," and while he may pick and choose certain things to incorporate into the MCU (bringing Charlie Cox in as Matt Murdock in Spider-Man: No Way Home, for example), the shows themselves are not something he feels any need to adhere to. I can assure you this version of the Darkhold likely has zero to do with anything that was seen on Agents of Shield, Runaways, or Cloak and Dagger. None of that stuff was Feige's, despite his name popping up on it due to contractual obligations. And if stories are to be believed, he has varying levels of contempt for all of it.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Is that show Ms. Marvel that is on the schedule for September going to be a Monica Rambeau show?

I'm pretty sure Monica will be picking up one of the other names her version of Ms. Marvel eventually went by. The Ms. Marvel we're getting however is Kamala Khan. For the record, my favorite "Ms. Marvel" was Carol Danvers BEFORE they made her Captain...

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Am I the only one who thought when Woo called Cliff, we were getting a Hawkeye appearance?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

So in the end, what everyone is saying from an AoS standpoint is Mac ain't showing up in the MCU as the Director of SHIELD.

 

[Sun Wukong]

Is that show Ms. Marvel that is on the schedule for September going to be a Monica Rambeau show?

This version of Ms. Marvel is a teenage girl named Kamala Kahn who is basically a nerdy superhero fangirl that gets powers. There is an association with Captain Marvel, but I'd expect Monica Rambeau to next pop up in Captain Marvel 2 and very likely Secret Wars.

 

[Sun Wukong]

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I can't remember if I read it here or not, but I think it's important to also remember that this show was originally slated to come out in March/April leading to Doctor Strange 2, which was scheduled for May 2021. COVID changed that and moved it to March 2022, and also pushed back Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which was supposed to be the first Disney+ show. So it's very possible WandaVision was originally supposed to lead much more directly into that, including a possible cameo, but was retooled a bit due to scheduling putting a year between the two projects.

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I do wonder about this, if only because several VERY credible leakers/insiders with very well established track records and many of whom who had leaked very accurate plot points about this series itself swore up and down there would be a Dr. Strange appearance in the final episode. To the point it was just taken as a given he would show up by those in the spoilers community. I wonder if he originally did and they edited it out due to the newly created gap between the series and show for some reason. No leaker is 100% but so many people who are otherwise credible whiffed so badly on the Strange thing that it seems something weird happened.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

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Did Agatha give Ralph super speed or is he not just some random dude?

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that’s the only part that’s potentially an unearned plot resolution- seemingly Ralph is just an actor who lives in Westview
If so, that’s not even stunt casting- it’s just trolling — and seemingly fir no good reason

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

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I do wonder about this, if only because several VERY credible leakers/insiders with very well established track records and many of whom who had leaked very accurate plot points about this series itself swore up and down there would be a Dr. Strange appearance in the final episode. To the point it was just taken as a given he would show up by those in the spoilers community. I wonder if he originally did and they edited it out due to the newly created gap between the series and show for some reason. No leaker is 100% but so many people who are otherwise credible whiffed so badly on the Strange thing that it seems something weird happened.

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emma caufield alluded to the possibility of last minute script changes due to scheduling and Covid protocol and the Cali wildfires
She was very good at not stating anything directly- and also she didn’t know the full scope of the story but it sure seemed like she was saying the story changed at the end

she also pretty much admitted that they cast her so that her character could be a red herring
That I don’t mind bc it made Agatha’s reveal much stronger

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

the tv shows weren't part of the MCU then (no Feige)
now it's all under the MCU

They were connected on their side but the movies never mentioned them. Lady Sif was in 2-3 episodes of Shield and they mentioned Thanos attacking Earth.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

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I did find it amusing that the boys (visions) fight ended by them talking things out
And the girls (witches) just traded haymakers

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

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I do wonder about this, if only because several VERY credible leakers/insiders with very well established track records and many of whom who had leaked very accurate plot points about this series itself swore up and down there would be a Dr. Strange appearance in the final episode. To the point it was just taken as a given he would show up by those in the spoilers community. I wonder if he originally did and they edited it out due to the newly created gap between the series and show for some reason. No leaker is 100% but so many people who are otherwise credible whiffed so badly on the Strange thing that it seems something weird happened.

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The trailer that released before the show came out, you can see someone wearing a cape that is entering the Hex. That scene didn't make it into the show. That was probably Dr. Strange.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Boat

 

[GW93]

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The trailer that released before the show came out, you can see someone wearing a cape that is entering the Hex. That scene didn't make it into the show. That was probably Dr. Strange.

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could have been Wision, and they just didn’t include the shot in the final edit.

 

[DaveXA]

They were connected on their side but the movies never mentioned them. Lady Sif was in 2-3 episodes of Shield and they mentioned Thanos attacking Earth.

There are a lot of references to the movies on the TV side, particularly in Agent Carter, S.H.I.E.L.D. and Daredevil. The other Marvel shows, not nearly so much, although Stan Lee did make cameo appearances in just about all of them.

But, clearly, the movies never really reciprocated. Feige not caring for the TV series he had no control over makes sense. I think all of the characters who appeared in both the TV shows and movies appeared in the movies first before appearing in the TV series.

It's disappointing that they couldn't work together, but now that all of it is in house, I'm pretty excited to see what they can do with it and WandaVision was a great start.

To be sure, while the previous TV shows weren't under Feige, they were still pretty great on their own. I liked most all of them. The only ones I didn't care for were Inhumans and Runaways.

 

[Cage1]

If Mandalorian is a 10, this one is probably a 6.5 for me.

 

[Sun Wukong]

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Taking the general temperature of the comments I'm seeing online, it seems that while there was disappointment over no Mephisto or Strange or things of that nature, most of the outright hostility seems to be revealed for the Quicksilver thing meaning nothing and being used for a pretty low brow joke on top of that. That really is the only inexplicable decision of the series to me. They knew what they were doing with fan expectations with that casting and made a very strange choice in how to resolve it. To put it charitably.