The Derek Chauvin trial {Mod Edit: Guilty on all charges} (2 Viewers)

there's always the guy that would have done something if he was there

every time

Yep. I do ask myself what I would have done in that situation. I'd like to think I could have done something. But until I've been put in that exact scenario or something very similar, I really don't know what I would have done.

Sort of makes me think of the recent attack on the Asian American woman who brutally attacked and the people by the door of the building where it happened just stood there doing nothing. Makes me sick thinking about it.

The Chauvin murder was made worse because the police are supposed to be trusted public servants. Those people standing around wanted to believe that the cops would figure out they needed to get off of him when he stopped resisting (I'd argue he never really resisted like I would if cops were on top of me).

I completely understand why no one physically intervened. The real right answer is the cops allowed this to happen. I'm not really sure what the bystanders could do other than make an already terrible situation worse.
 
Yep. I do ask myself what I would have done in that situation. I'd like to think I could have done something. But until I've been put in that exact scenario or something very similar, I really don't know what I would have done.

Sort of makes me think of the recent attack on the Asian American woman who brutally attacked and the people by the door of the building where it happened just stood there doing nothing. Makes me sick thinking about it.

The Chauvin murder was made worse because the police are supposed to be trusted public servants. Those people standing around wanted to believe that the cops would figure out they needed to get off of him when he stopped resisting (I'd argue he never really resisted like I would if cops were on top of me).

I completely understand why no one physically intervened. The real right answer is the cops allowed this to happen. I'm not really sure what the bystanders could do other than make an already terrible situation worse.
the Asian attack, at first I could somewhat understand not helping during. but the fact they closed the door and didn't even help afterwards..
 
Sorry Terps , but you sound like everyone white to you are racists and have been for years . That's not true and you know it . EGLSShin , I agree with you . Also I do blame the bystanders for doing nothing , right is right and wrong is wrong , they gotta live with it . Some of the other officers there were worried and I bet you I could have talked them into stopping it . I promise I would have tried !

This is such a glaring example of white privilege, I would almost believe it was written sarcastically or as a severe troll attempt.



Almost.
 
I know some people who are sticking to the 'he died of a heart attack' or 'died because he OD'd'. and there's the ones who go with 'he deserved it' crowd.
1 of the 3 coroners said that.
Unless people have access to Floyd’s body, blood, brain, heart, etc following the death, anything we say is just opinion.
Even the coroners who have access and do this for a living, have arrived at different conclusions.
 
I believe he was accused of passing a counterfeit 20$ bill.

Does passing a fake $20 bill warrant pulling someone out of the vehicle, or arrest? I mean, I dunno. I would think writing a ticket and sending him on his way would make the most sense.

But then, not much about this whole thing makes sense. The only think I can come up with is Chauvin wanted to make an example of this guy.

This was just a cold blooded murder and Chauvin should spend the rest of his life in prison. He unfortunately won't though. I think he's found guilty and he'll be in prison for a while, but not long enough.
 
I think Simpson was a different animal, in a much different time, and without video. But just among the quick hits:
  1. Frankly the glove thing was a mistake. The glove hadn't been worn in some time, had a liner inside it, and what is there to gain? Of course it wasn't going to fit. And if it had fit, all Johnny Cochran would have said is, well a glove of size whatever fits 91% of the population, so why do we even care? It proves nothing, etc, etc. Whether it should have meant much, the glove not fitting was a "defining moment" a jury will certainly remember.
  2. DNA was still relatively new, and the prosecution didn't necessarily present it well. (And they didn't even mention it in their closing argument perhaps for the reason that they realized the jury didn't take to it.)
  3. They put a cop on the stands they knew had racist statements in the past.
I don't think the comparisons are there 25+ years later, though I know the point you were getting at.
To be fair, Christopher Darden did have some reservations earlier on about whether he trusted the integrity, honesty, or sincerity of that ex-LAPD racist cop when he met him pretrial to get his opinions of arriving at Nicole Brown Simpson's residence to examine the crime scene and although LA District Attorney's office didnt know full details of his past racist comments, Darden just had a negative, overall impression about the vibe or "aura" he emanated.

The LAPD's crime scene lab technicians forked up the blood analysis,.blood spatter evidence and created a very real, tangible impression of LAPD railroading or setting up one more famous African-American celebrity for two first-degree murders. Those crime scene lab technicians hurt prosecution's case for using DNA long before it could have been potentially used as an effective weapon.

The glove may have been a mistake, but it was used because clearly there's a picture of O.J. wearing it before.covering sidelines at a Bills NBC televised game the year before or a few years before. It belonged to him, he owned it, as well as those "ugly arse shoes" he claimed at the civil trial taped deposition he never wore or wore repeatedly.

In the final analysis, O.J.'s defense team was far more tactical, smarter, adept, and probably 2-3 steps ahead of the prosecution in terms of answering and returning their claims. Cochran knew the LAPD had a dark, troubled history of racial discrimination, violence, lack of smart, effective community policing and their brutal practices towards minorities dating back to the 1920's and 30's but especially towards growing African-American population in L.A. in the 1940's and 50's when they began hiring police officers from Southern states. (Quite a few West Coast cities adopted similar policing procedures/protocols, like Oakland around the same time period).

They also had a better, more acute pulse on the mood and still-scarred feelings existing in the L.A. area and nationwide after the Rodney King riots a few years before caused by brutal police beating on the side of a freeway captured on film and they knew that more typical LAPD obstruction, mishandling, and disappearance of key evidence in a criminal murder trial against a well-liked, then-universally beloved and respected black NFL star and film actor wasnt going to go unnoticed, and massively over-hyped media coverage of whether L.A. was going to burn down again if a jury decided to convict him of murder based on badly-handled, suspicious means and sinister characters. The LA District Attorneys office did a poor, if not atrocious, job underestimating those still-existantial factors still in play trying to assemble a convincing case to use. Marcia Clark, also, didn't come across as the most likable, relatable PR-saavy public prosecutor in terms of how most parts of MSM painted or depicted her as being combative, rude, disrespectful, or confrontational.
 
Does passing a fake $20 bill warrant pulling someone out of the vehicle, or arrest? I mean, I dunno. I would think writing a ticket and sending him on his way would make the most sense.

But then, not much about this whole thing makes sense. The only think I can come up with is Chauvin wanted to make an example of this guy.

This was just a cold blooded murder and Chauvin should spend the rest of his life in prison. He unfortunately won't though. I think he's found guilty and he'll be in prison for a while, but not long enough.
I looked it up and it ranges from a misdemeanor to a felony depending on circumstances. I'd guess Floyd had a record so that pushed it to felony, but not being a lawyer could be totally misreading that. At any rate, the death penalty wouldn't apply I'm almost 100% certain, however arrest would seem appropriate.

This seems a decent write up that doesn't have a lot of spin so much as fact. Some will argue with the title and it is a legitimate argument imho until a jury has decided.

There've been some reports that Chauvin and Floyd worked at a night club and had some turbulent history. This makes me think there's more than we'll ever know to the story. I'm not qualified to judge Chauvin so will trust to the system even if I have some issues with how it works. It's much better than vigilante justice or unruly mobs.
 

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