The Derek Chauvin trial {Mod Edit: Guilty on all charges} (2 Viewers)

[jayd265]

Systemic racism IS the thread topic.

Guess I’m in the wrong thread. I’ll google real trial updates rather than deal with you guys.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Guess I’m in the wrong thread. I’ll google real trial updates rather than deal with you guys.

 

[LuvNOLA]

In my religion, George Floyd reminds me of the Saints/Martyrs. Because of the torture & horrendous way that Floyd died, folks in countries all over the world, stood up for George & expressed their outrage & sadness.
In my mind, George Floyd did something great for humanity.

 

[LuvNOLA]

You totally crack me up!

 

[V Chip]

They shouldn't be blamed, Brandon, but if their 25-30 bystanders surrounding a couple of racist, butt crevasse cops brutally, viciously holding a man down on the ground on the top of his neck, preventing him from breathing, they might be able to hurt maybe a couple of bystanders rushing in and stopping the choke hold, but they'd overwhelm them by mere force of numbers and yes, most of them probably wouldve eventually been found, arrested, and put in jail. Likely also convicted of interfering in the conduct of a "lawful arrest", but that video still wouldve existed of those cops brutally holding Floyd's face down to the pavement and gives them a very strong, powerful defense of attempted murder as a reason for interfering.

Nah, it would have worked out much differently.

Say people bum rushed the cops and were successful in getting Chauvin's knee off Floyd's neck, thereby saving his life in retrospect, since we have the gift of hindsight and know that without intervention, George Floyd dies. The key phrase there is "in retrospect" because had that happened, all the crowd would be charged with interfering with an arrest, assaulting officers, maybe even some shot and killed at the scene. The police defense would be "we were charged by an angry mob who wanted to kill us for doing our job." Since Floyd would have lived, there would be no defense for those intervening to "save his life" because the officers would say his life was never endangered and it was only the mob who was causing violence. There would be 25-30 people in jail, maybe a few dead, a media narrative of a police-hating thug mob attacking white police officers for doing their job, and things might actually be worse.

It's only because we know George Floyd died that the idea of a bunch of people bum rushing the police to intervene is even brought up as a viable alternative.

 

[DaveXA]

Nah, it would have worked out much differently.

Say people bum rushed the cops and were successful in getting Chauvin's knee off Floyd's neck, thereby saving his life in retrospect, since we have the gift of hindsight and know that without intervention, George Floyd dies. The key phrase there is "in retrospect" because had that happened, all the crowd would be charged with interfering with an arrest, assaulting officers, maybe even some shot and killed at the scene. The police defense would be "we were charged by an angry mob who wanted to kill us for doing our job." Since Floyd would have lived, there would be no defense for those intervening to "save his life" because the officers would say his life was never endangered and it was only the mob who was causing violence. There would be 25-30 people in jail, maybe a few dead, a media narrative of a police-hating thug mob attacking white police officers for doing their job, and things might actually be worse.

It's only because we know George Floyd died that the idea of a bunch of people bum rushing the police to intervene is even brought up as a viable alternative.

Yeah, this was the very definition of a no win scenario.

 

[Saintman2884]

Nah, it would have worked out much differently.

Say people bum rushed the cops and were successful in getting Chauvin's knee off Floyd's neck, thereby saving his life in retrospect, since we have the gift of hindsight and know that without intervention, George Floyd dies. The key phrase there is "in retrospect" because had that happened, all the crowd would be charged with interfering with an arrest, assaulting officers, maybe even some shot and killed at the scene. The police defense would be "we were charged by an angry mob who wanted to kill us for doing our job." Since Floyd would have lived, there would be no defense for those intervening to "save his life" because the officers would say his life was never endangered and it was only the mob who was causing violence. There would be 25-30 people in jail, maybe a few dead, a media narrative of a police-hating thug mob attacking white police officers for doing their job, and things might actually be worse.

It's only because we know George Floyd died that the idea of a bunch of people bum rushing the police to intervene is even brought up as a viable alternative.

But their would still be that damning video of Chauvin maliciously putting that choke hold on Floyd face-first on the pavement and him screaming and shouting that he can't breathe that defense attorneys could have used as a way to say those cops were using excessive, disproportionate amount of force on a subdued suspect that a growing group of bystanders got fed up with and attacked them, trying to get them to stop or pull them off.

The MSM would also have to examine and discuss the same narrative of whether the patrol cops should have been using that amount of force to arrest someone even in an alternative scenario where outside intervention maybe saves Floyd's life.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

hindsight is always 20/20...

 

[Optimus Prime]

Segue: I met Johnny Cochran before he died of a brain tumor.

it would have been pretty hard to meet him after he died

 

[brandon8283]

But their would still be that damning video of Chauvin maliciously putting that choke hold on Floyd face-first on the pavement and him screaming and shouting that he can't breathe that defense attorneys could have used as a way to say those cops were using excessive, disproportionate amount of force on a subdued suspect that a growing group of bystanders got fed up with and attacked them, trying to get them to stop or pull them off.

The MSM would also have to examine and discuss the same narrative of whether the patrol cops should have been using that amount of force to arrest someone even in an alternative scenario where outside intervention maybe saves Floyd's life.

If we didn’t have the context of Michael Brown, Breonna Taylor, Eric Garner, and so many more, maybe this would make sense.

But if Floyd hadn’t died, he and those that saved him would be getting drug through the mud by Fox News every day.

 

[sammymvpknight]

The murder of George Floyd is a direct outgrowth of white supremacy. White males are terrified of what they perceive as a loss of power and, as the most entitled and self-serving demographic in the country, will do anything to hold on to "their" power. The USA continues to incarcerate blacks at a higher rate than South Africa did under Apartheid.

In the aftermath of the Civil War, the entitled white planters of the south began to lose their power as their slaves and servants were freed. Union troops enforced new laws protecting freed blacks. The white planter class reacted to this by forming the KKK, which continues to this day as the Proud Boys and other white supremacist groups.

The only way whites have given up their power is when changes are mandated and power is taken from them. Derek Chauvin is a white supremacist and murdered George Floyd in accordance with white supremacist views.

 

[Tony1Saintfan]

i know it wasn't - most everyone is calling it what you called it in the title
i'd just heard that framing checked in 2 different places recently and thought it beared mentioning

and i meant when i said props to the OP

Well to be honest out of respect to Mr. Floyd I really should’ve thought a little more about the title. Thank you for the props.

 

[Tony1Saintfan]

Thank you. We need more of this kind of acknowledgment for each other. Respect.

I’m the kind of person that really doesn’t want to offend anyone. I was raised to respect other people as my mom used to say “don’t judge anyone unless you’ve walked a mile in their shoes”.

 

[saintmdterps]

+1

Darnell Frazier, a teenager -- I want to reiterate, a teenager -- a witness in this case, the person responsible for the viral video, said this, "It has been nights I stayed up apologizing and apologizing to George Floyd for not doing more and not physically interacting and not saving his life. Its not what I should have done, it's what he should have done (speaking of former Officer Chauvin)."

This isn't about what any witness should have done or theorizing what we would do in this situation. That ignorantly shifts the focus from the party culpable. This is about Chauvin, not us. As a black American, here is what is frustrating. We constantly hear comply, comply, comply. Just get profiled. Just get followed. Just answer their questions. Just give them your ID. Just let them hold you at gunpoint. Just let them handcuff you. Comply, and you'll live. And, yet, here is a poster saying "had I been there I would have done something!" Essentially saying he wouldn't have complied to orders to stand back. Well, which the hell is it?! Comply like Philando and still get shot? Comply like this crowd and watch George die and then categorized as an angry mob by the defense? The terms and rules shouldn't bend and change for black Americans.

This isn't about compliance or non-compliance for me. This is about the dehumanizing of black life. For Chauvin, at some point, Floyd's life wasn't deemed valuable or of worth. His potential criminality outweighed his humanity. He was executed, in the street, for the crime of fraud.

Are we comfortable with that?

It's always white people who say "If you didn't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear" which is absolutely not true...if you're a black person. There are too many stories of blacks (men especially) being compliant and still getting shot or, like George Floyd, being murdered for minor crimes. Hell, Mr Floyd wasn't even given his constitutional right to due process, he was simply executed by a bad cop. A cop with a litany of complaints against him who should never have been granted the privilege of wearing a badge and and being given the public trust.

 

[DaveXA]

It's always white people who say "If you didn't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear" which is absolutely not true...if you're a black person. There are too many stories of blacks (men especially) being compliant and still getting shot or, like George Floyd, being murdered for minor crimes. Hell, Mr Floyd wasn't even given his constitutional right to due process, he was simply executed by a bad cop. A cop with a litany of complaints against him who should never have been granted the privilege of wearing a badge and and being given the public trust.

I know what you're saying, but, I'll push back a bit and say yeah, it's most often whites who say that. I've got more than a few non-white friends who say that, and of course there are some whites who don't say that. Several on this very thread.

And, sure, that statement isn't true, not just for black people, but for all kinds. Black and brown certainly get the worst of the abuse, yes.

The rest I completely agree with.