COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) [over 150.000,000 US cases (est.), 6,422,520 US hospitilizations, 1,148,691 US deaths.] (8 Viewers)

[Saint_Ward]

They won't have to worry about suits if it's enforced properly. If they don't do it, it's because it would possibly cost them a lot of money. What they should do is get the TSA to enforce the vaccination requirement. If you want to get past security, you have to be vaccinated. The questions are, how is that implemented, how long does it last, and what are the penalties for non-compliance.

At least that how I see it.

That's not happening. Being vaccinated isn't a requirement to fly now. Just wearing masks is. They won't restrict that. And honestly, that's probably sufficient based on how the air is HEPA filtered about 20-30 times per hour (so a fresh cabin about every 2-3 minutes). There is no way they'll levy that onto the TSA and make it a requirement to fly.

The point that was brought up is to fly unmasked, you'd have to show your vaccination status (via your card, or an app, which has been floated around), AND the flight attendant will have to remember who is who, so they don't yell at the wrong people to mask up. Remember, failure to follow crew instructions is a federal offense.

Now, I haven't flown United in a long time, but they have a website and app to help with all of the COVID requirements. Something like this may be able to add vaccination status, and maybe they can use it as an easy way for flight crew's to know who is who, but it may still be annoying.

United Customers Can Now Schedule COVID Tests and be Automatically Cleared for Travel Directly through the Travel-Ready Center

Since the Travel-Ready Center launched in January, United customers have been able to easily access testing or vaccine requirements needed for travel destinations, upload completed testing results and vaccine records as well as have them verified, all within the United App. Today, the...

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Now, United isn't doing this as a requirement, but in an effort to make it easier for the passengers to meet destination requirements/orders.

 

[DaveXA]

This is a good idea. If TSA precheck can exhaustively evaluate our national security risk...could they not also determine our vaccination status? It would make spontaneous flights significantly more challenging, as it'd essentially be like everyone trying to get a passport. I'd imagine that the personal required to pull that off in TSA would be challenging, but it would be best for screenings to be performed before someone made it to the airport.

You can register with TSA for PreCheck. They should set something up similar where you can register your vaccination status with them, then you won't even need to provide a card to get past security. Your ID would be sufficient. The question becomes one of education and getting people to register their vaccination status with TSA. I don't know if there are health records and PII issues with that, but I think it can be done.

Passports can be similar as well. There should be some way of adding vaccination status to the passport so that when you travel, the passport can serve as proof rather than a separate card.

 

[Kegger]

i think what also gets lost is the vaccine is meant to minimize the effects, not keep you from ever catching/transmitting COVID-19.

At this point, if you are willing to risk "long covid"/acute covid w/ hospitalization, thats your choice. Tired of trying to get people to understand when they have zero interest in understanding and looking out for their neighbor.

Not sure I fully agree there, we want to stamp out covid before it can continue to mutate. I wouldn't be surprised if these anti-vax dipsticks cause us to have another year+ of lockdown when COVID-21 rears its ugly head because they kept proliferating the virus.

 

[Saint_Ward]

It may be terrible to you but honestly people wearing masks on planes is one of the greatest things to have ever happened during COVID (in addition to not having traffic). People are disgusting and always get on planes sick, hacking, blowing snot, sneezing, etc. I personally love it and will probably keep doing it.

Also, I am fully vaccinated and I agree that once we get to a point where vaccines are available to all who want them and people just aren't getting them, then the mask mandate should be lifted and those who remain unvaxxed because they are too stupid to believe science, should just deal with the cards falling where they may. I also kinda feel like they shouldn't be able to seek out medical care either if they get a serious case of COVID due to their refusal to get vaccinated, even though that would never happen.

Let me be clear and say I mean the people who refuse to get vaccinated because they are too stupid to believe science or think that they "have a good chance of surviving it". Not those who can't due to some other legitimate reason.

Agreed.

I really don't get the bellyaching about masks in climate controlled environments. They can be comfortable, if you get the right kind. I wear them for the most part of an 8 hour work day, every day. Cry me a river. I take it off for lunch, and a quick coffee or snack break. And I'm fully vaccinated. Been doing this a full year.

As Sammy and I were talking, we have both done this being outdoors in a theme park all day. It's hot, sweaty, and honestly, gets difficult after a while. Still did it, for hours at a time.

You know what else can be uncomfortable for a few hours at a time? Wearing pants or a belt (worst is when driving far). We do it all the time.

 

[Saint_Ward]

You can register with TSA for PreCheck. They should set something up similar where you can register your vaccination status with them, then you won't even need to provide a card to get past security. Your ID would be sufficient. The question becomes one of education and getting people to register their vaccination status with TSA. I don't know if there are health records and PII issues with that, but I think it can be done.

Passports can be similar as well. There should be some way of adding vaccination status to the passport so that when you travel, the passport can serve as proof rather than a separate card.

You could, but the problem is how does the flight attendant know not to fuss at you for not wearing a mask, if vaccinated?

Personaly, I think one of those universal apps would be better.

Like these.

United Customers Can Now Schedule COVID Tests and be Automatically Cleared for Travel Directly through the Travel-Ready Center

Since the Travel-Ready Center launched in January, United customers have been able to easily access testing or vaccine requirements needed for travel destinations, upload completed testing results and vaccine records as well as have them verified, all within the United App. Today, the...

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[DaveXA]

You could, but the problem is how does the flight attendant know not to fuss at you for not wearing a mask, if vaccinated?

Personaly, I think one of those universal apps would be better.

Like these.

United Customers Can Now Schedule COVID Tests and be Automatically Cleared for Travel Directly through the Travel-Ready Center

Since the Travel-Ready Center launched in January, United customers have been able to easily access testing or vaccine requirements needed for travel destinations, upload completed testing results and vaccine records as well as have them verified, all within the United App. Today, the...

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Sure, but requiring vaccinations to fly resolves the mask enforcement issue on the planes. It's gonna suck for unvaccinated people, but if you want to maximize vaccine compliance, this is the way to do it. Then you don't have to deal with the whole mask controversy. Iirc, cruises are going to require all passengers to be vaccinated. I'm not sure if that's all of them, but if I were running a cruise line, and with all of the mess they went through last year, a fully vaccinated boat is the way to go. I'd argue the same should apply to the airlines.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Sure, but requiring vaccinations to fly resolves the mask enforcement issue on the planes. It's gonna suck for unvaccinated people, but if you want to maximize vaccine compliance, this is the way to do it. Then you don't have to deal with the whole mask controversy. Iirc, cruises are going to require all passengers to be vaccinated. I'm not sure if that's all of them, but if I were running a cruise line, and with all of the mess they went through last year, a fully vaccinated boat is the way to go. I'd argue the same should apply to the airlines.

I hear you, but they won't do it. The airlines will fight that tooth and nail for as long as they can. Because, they've already established, masks and flying is ok.

Cruises haven't been allowed to resume, and are more desperate. Also, there are too many situations where you'd be stuck "indoors" and need to take a mask off, like eating, drinking, etc. They have a greater need to consider requiring vaccinations.

 

[Saint_Ward]

I just saw this chart on the NY times with the other vaccine data and this has completely changed my thinking. It isn't hesitation, at least not yet or not in big numbers....

It's the lack of the J&J vaccine. If you look at the other numbers, they're mostly steady (ok, a fraction down). But the J&J went to 0. That's the reason for the down turn.

 

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[efil4stnias]

We should impose another 20% tariff on China for this.

 

[Optimus Prime]

More on the Miami private school
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......In an example of how misinformation threatens the nation’s effort to vaccinate enough Americans to get the coronavirus under control, Ms. Centner, who has frequently shared anti-vaccine posts on Facebook, claimed in the letter that “reports have surfaced recently of non-vaccinated people being negatively impacted by interacting with people who have been vaccinated.”

“Even among our own population, we have at least three women with menstrual cycles impacted after having spent time with a vaccinated person,” she wrote, repeating a false claim that vaccinated people can somehow pass the vaccine to others and thereby affect their reproductive systems. (They can do neither.).........

A private school in Miami, citing false claims, bars vaccinated teachers from contact with students. (Published 2021)

Centner Academy advertises its support for “medical freedom from mandated vaccines,” and has recently hosted talks by antivaccine advocates.

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.........“We cannot allow recently vaccinated people to be near our students until more information is known,” Centner said. She also told staff to not get vaccinated until the end of the school year, but if they do, they won’t be allowed back until clinical trials on the vaccines are complete, and that’s assuming their positions haven’t been filled by then...........

MSN

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[faceman]

They don't pay $25k/year for knowledge.

Knowledge is free. One just needs to seek it

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Why does this kind of stuff always have to happen in FL?

Louisiana tried to one-up Florida with the Gorilla Glue Mousse event and its sequel. To no avail. (sigh) We're no match for Florida.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | If You Make or Buy a Fake COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card, You Endanger Yourself and Those Around You, and You Are Breaking the Law

www.ic3.gov

I wouldn't advise it. Not sure how they'd verify it though.

 

[Saint_Ward]

BTW, lots of resources here.

FBI Urges Vigilance During COVID-19 Pandemic | Federal Bureau of Investigation

As the United States and the world deal with the ongoing pandemic, the FBI’s national security and criminal investigative work continues. There are threats you should be aware of so you can take steps to protect yourself.

www.fbi.gov