Is the fix in for Taysom? (1 Viewer)

[guidomerkinsrules]

If there was any doubt before the draft that Taysom is the Starter then that should be put to rest now.

The offense and skill positions are tailored more for a power run offense than with big play TEs and wrs that suit a guy like Winston.


The current personnel on the team clearly and heavily handicaps any notion of a qb competition against Winston and towards Hill now.

you have very....interesting takes

 

[Trey W.]

I just have to laugh. Recently asked how far into the season if Winston has a losing record would you go before making a change. Surprisingly (or not) the JW fans were arguing that even after an off season and true preseason to settle in he should have several games, even a whole season to get acclimatized and used to the system. Yet Taysom, who was not tasked with the backup role and practiced each week on his game install instead is washed up after 4 games when he was called up without warning to fill in.

See why I'm laughing?

• JW's flaws can be coached out of him. Taysom's can't.
• JW has a high upside, Taysom has already peaked.
• JW after a preseason should have maybe half a season to settle in. Taysom has 4 games sprung on him out of the blue and he is washed up.

If you can't see the double standard and humor I can't help you.

But the differences between Taysom’s flaws and Winston’s flaws are vast. Yes Winston did have a lot of INT’s in his last season in Tampa but it was also his first in a new system that challenges defenses deep. Even Brady threw quite a few INT’s early last season adapting to Arian’s Offense. Winston has started for an NFL Team for quite a few seasons. Taysom has never played an entire season at QB even in his college days. Winston can sit in the pocket and go through reads and has the courage to throw the ball. Taysom has shown to be a 1-2 read QB before he runs and is hesitant to throw into tight windows.

I do like Taysom a lot and what he brings to this team. As a back up who may need to QB a game or two I’m comfortable with, as a starter playing a full season I don’t feel comfortable at all.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

you have very....interesting takes

I doubt if Brees were still the starter here that they wouldn't have at invested more at TE and wr.


With Brees last year they went out and signed a Multimillion dollar wr and still had Cook and Trautman.

Now there is no depth at receiving TE and they are loading up on blockers and Big wrs.

This setup doesn't seem to Favor Winston so much as it does Hill.

I would be stunned if Winston can outplay Tayson with the talent on the offense currently.

 

[Nonreg]

Taysom should be thrilled with the contract he received to be a joker / backup QB; nobody knows what’s really going to happen but I’d bet a lot of money nobody else in the league would guarantee him a starting position based off last years stint at starting.

He is best utilized in small situations; in space or obvious running downs.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I doubt if Brees were still the starter here that they wouldn't have at invested more at TE and wr.


With Brees last year they went out and signed a Multimillion dollar wr and still had Cook and Trautman.

Now there is no depth at receiving TE and they are loading up on blockers and Big wrs.

This setup doesn't seem to Favor Winston so much as it does Hill.

I would be stunned if Winston can outplay Tayson with the talent on the offense currently.

your conclusion is not supported by your premise and your premise is not exactly precise
we didn't 'load up' on anything really - we filled holes that we had on defense and then went for depth on offense - one of those being a downfield threat WR - and that certainly doesn't seem to fit Taysom's skillset

 

[NOFALCONS10]

your conclusion is not supported by your premise and your premise is not exactly precise
we didn't 'load up' on anything really - we filled holes that we had on defense and then went for depth on offense - one of those being a downfield threat WR - and that certainly doesn't seem to fit Taysom's skillset

Didn't Hill have a deep pass in the playoffs vs the Vikings?



When Brees was here when did they ever not try to give him a super-fast Expensive TE or two?



Like I said you can pull this up If Jameis overtakes Hill but I highly doubt it.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

The size of the wrs and even TEs that they brought in are built almost exclusively for with the the idea of perimeter blocking in mind.

I have a hard time thinking this isn't by design with a heavy dose of QB sweeps and power runs in mind.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

Even Ian Book with his 4.6 speed and ability to extend plays, plays more like Taysom than he does Winston.




I actually thought before the draft that Book would be a decent backup for Tre Lance in a play-action scheme for Shanahan in SF. I didn't think that he would come here instead.

I can see the reasoning now if the idea was to establish a system primarily based around an athletic qb and a ball control offense.

Book's strengths are screens and Short intermediate passes and bootlegs.

 

[jasonsw]

If there was any doubt before the draft that Taysom is the Starter then that should be put to rest now.

The offense and skill positions are tailored more for a power run offense than with big play TEs and wrs that suit a guy like Winston.


The current personnel on the team clearly and heavily handicaps any notion of a qb competition against Winston and towards Hill now.

Well hard to argue against your take. If thats the case im just praying and hoping Taysom improves his reads, timing, pocket presence and awarness, not take unneeded sacks, remember rhat Kamara also plays for the Saints, exercises better ball security.

If he does those things, then yeah the Saints should be fine

 

[Saint Taysom]

I really hope that Taysom Hill wins the starting QB job.

I think it’s foolish to write-off Hill as “not being the guy” after he went 3-1 as a starter mid season... after not starting a game at QB since like 2016 at BYU. He also wasn’t focused completely on playing QB leading up to his stint as the starter last season (after Brees’ rib cage exploded).

With a full offseason of focusing exclusively on playing QB, and an offense designed around his strengths, I believe Hill can be a very effective and successful starting QB.

 

[Taker597]

Well hard to argue against your take. If thats the case im just praying and hoping Taysom improves his reads, timing, pocket presence and awarness, not take unneeded sacks, remember rhat Kamara also plays for the Saints, exercises better ball security.

If he does those things, then yeah the Saints should be fine

Taysom needs better playmaker too offset his value to his ridiculous Playmaking ability. It's the biggest issue with Taysom was that his Playmaking was greatly muted from in the pocket and he couldn't read the few Playmaking plays that he got gift wrapped to him. On top of his ugly deep ball.

It's why Winston would be better as a starter, because he'll have Hill in his toolbox.

We can argue whatever, but the team would be at its best if we can maximize Winston and Taysom to the best of their ability. Taysom best ability is Playmaking not being a dependent pocket passer.

We desperately need Winston to jump up a few levels. He's putting in the work and so is Hill. I'm 100% confident that Taysom and Winston will come into training camp better than they ever been as passers. I think it will be a close battle.

Gonna play mental gymnastics saying not having all your best players on the field is a better offense? No.

Ian Book's expectations are to compete against Trevor and nothing else.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

I honestly do not think there is some conspiracy theory to ensure one of the two QBs is the starter. I believe Payton when he says it will be a competition.

 

[saint_drago]

What in the world would he say at this point? Something like, "I'm not happy that people are talking about Jameis Winston more than me. I'm not sure how I feel about going into the season having to compete for the starting role. I'd rather just have the starting job given to me here in May. That works better for my agent and me. I'm happy with the money I'm making but I would like more attention please."

Taysom isn't the kind of guy who is that thirsty for attention. He's not going to talk just to talk which is exactly what he'd be doing. He's under contract. He was given the opportunity to start last season. SP hasn't named the starter for next season and he's indicated that their will be a competition.

 

[tjharris]

I think regardless of who is the starting QB.
Taysom will be the short yardage/goal line QB.
I do think there will be an honest QB competition but the odds are slim Taysom comes out ahead of Winston

 

[Infoman]

I really hope that Taysom Hill wins the starting QB job.

I think it’s foolish to write-off Hill as “not being the guy” after he went 3-1 as a starter mid season... after not starting a game at QB since like 2016 at BYU. He also wasn’t focused completely on playing QB leading up to his stint as the starter last season (after Brees’ rib cage exploded).

With a full offseason of focusing exclusively on playing QB, and an offense designed around his strengths, I believe Hill can be a very effective and successful starting QB.

Agreed.

I also think people are going to be pretty surprised by the different type of Taysom Hill we see this year.

He will spend the entire offseason focused on remaking his body, and preparing his mind to be strictly a starting NFL QB.

No more focus on ST... Gadgets... Tight End... Slot plays.... Strictly QB play.

No more hesitation about coming in for 5 plays and game - and just getting what you can "and not screwing it up"... No more playing in the shadow of a legend... No more keeping the ship from sinking for 4 games while Drew gets healthy...

Taysom Hill with no limitations and dedicated to be the Leader of this team and only a QB.... Will be a different player... I'd bet my boat on it.

Winston will be in for the fight of his life this summer... Watch!