Is the fix in for Taysom? (2 Viewers)

No, it's not... It's simple math... If he loses the starting job in competition...

He's the only backup that can come in a keep the team competitive...

His days as a "Joker" player are over.

It's pretty simple... He's a QB now... He's either starter and the future... Or he's the backup to Winston this year, and he's out next year.

Questioning Taysoms' dedication to this team, or his selflessness is fairly silly at this point considering what he has already given up for this team, and his track record for doing any and everything he can to help the team win at any position.

I disagree with the notion of his joker days being over. If he loses the competition for the starter role there is no way we are paying him that kind of money to sit on the bench.

I think it is likely he will resume his prior role, possibly minus the ST....
 
Bad read. Taysom is not thrilled to be the joker/backup. The Saints know this and will give him every chance to win QB1. If not, they know he'll move on in 22.

Unless he improves 110%, goodbye. He’s not a QB1 by what he showcased last year. He can make short term plays, but I don’t trust him to consistently deliver us through 17 games + playoffs.

That being said, if he beats out Winston that speaks poorly for Jameis.
 
I disagree with the notion of his joker days being over. If he loses the competition for the starter role there is no way we are paying him that kind of money to sit on the bench.

I think it is likely he will resume his prior role, possibly minus the ST....

You're wrong... They have already paid him (signing bonus money - with like 4 voidable years tacked on to spread it). His base salary is like $1 Million - They already paid him the rest as a bonus. They also paid Teddy near as much to sit the bench, and be backup ready.

Again, He will not be training, dieting, working out, doing film work, being present in meetings, etc. this year that are not 100% about winning the QB position or playing the QB position - If his goal is to be the starting QB this year... And as far as I know, that's his plan, and Sean is going to give him the opportunity.

This is the first time in his career he will be given the opportunity to solely be a QB1... He will not be wasting that opportunity by splitting time in the TE room, ST room, or WR room... you can bet on that.

Should he lose... He's the primary backup - Like he was when Drew was hurt, and Teddy took over.... And his role as the Joker disappeared near completely then...

Also if he loses the starting job... He's gone in 2022...

We have seen the last of Taysom as the Joker.
 
You're wrong... They have already paid him (signing bonus money - with like 4 voidable years tacked on to spread it). His base salary is like $1 Million - They already paid him the rest as a bonus. They also paid Teddy near as much to sit the bench, and be backup ready.

Again, He will not be training, dieting, working out, doing film work, being present in meetings, etc. this year that are not 100% about winning the QB position or playing the QB position - If his goal is to be the starting QB this year... And as far as I know, that's his plan, and Sean is going to give him the opportunity.

This is the first time in his career he will be given the opportunity to solely be a QB1... He will not be wasting that opportunity by splitting time in the TE room, ST room, or WR room... you can bet on that.

Should he lose... He's the primary backup - Like he was when Drew was hurt, and Teddy took over.... And his role as the Joker disappeared near completely then...

Also if he loses the starting job... He's gone in 2022...

We have seen the last of Taysom as the Joker.

No...you're wrong....and now you're IT!!!!!!
 
Unless he improves 110%, goodbye. He’s not a QB1 by what he showcased last year. He can make short term plays, but I don’t trust him to consistently deliver us through 17 games + playoffs.

That being said, if he beats out Winston that speaks poorly for Jameis.
Based on 4 career starts (his first 4 starts at QB in approx 4 years).

There was another guy a few years back that played QB exclusively all through college... never had a major injury... and ended up a top draft pick...
His 1st 4 career starts he went 0-4, had 3 TDs and 11 INTs.

Was that a big enough sample size to write that guy off and say that he didn’t have what it takes to be a starting caliber NFL QB?

His coaches thought “no” and let him continue to work on it... that player was Peyton Manning.

...and before you tell me about how bad that Colts team sucked, he had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, Marcus Pollard, and Jerome Pathon among his weapons.

Point is, it takes more than 4 starts at QB to tell what a guy can/can’t do.
 
I agree it will be a true competition... but I disagree that CSP started Hill last season solely because he gave Taysom his word.

The Saints were playing important games to secure playoff position, and if he really thought Winston would have given the Saints a better chance to win those games, it would have been Winston behind Center.
There is a big myth on this "handshake" agreement to start Hill. If he felt Hill would not have given him the best chance to win these games, or specifically not to LOSE them, he wouldn't have started him. CSP is all about winning and TRUST. If he didn't trust Hill, he would NOT have put him in and rode through those games with him. People think Payton would jeopardize wins because he told a player he would start him if... Hell No! It is all about trust and the starter this season will be who CSP TRUSTS. It is Hill's to lose, basically.
 
Based on 4 career starts (his first 4 starts at QB in approx 4 years).

There was another guy a few years back that played QB exclusively all through college... never had a major injury... and ended up a top draft pick...
His 1st 4 career starts he went 0-4, had 3 TDs and 11 INTs.

Was that a big enough sample size to write that guy off and say that he didn’t have what it takes to be a starting caliber NFL QB?

His coaches thought “no” and let him continue to work on it... that player was Peyton Manning.

...and before you tell me about how bad that Colts team sucked, he had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, Marcus Pollard, and Jerome Pathon among his weapons.

Point is, it takes more than 4 starts at QB to tell what a guy can/can’t do.
...on top of that, I don't get the bashing of his play during those games filling in for Drew. There is much said about fumbles and that is what most stake their assessment on. I'd rather have him fighting to make plays out of nothing and that effort end up in a fumble than a horrible decision to a wide open WR in the flat and throw a pick 6. Hill has not had the true QB snaps and always progressing.

On another topic, there is nothing that CSP has said that has anointed Winston as the "clear" starter. He has said he likes what he has shown, he likes the POTENTIAL he has, purely from arm strength, etc. He says the same things about Hill, Seimian, etc. He won't throw a player in the competition under the bus when Winston needs to be lifted and given positive reinforcement.
 
That sounds like a reason for Taysom Hill to be the starting QB.

With an offseason to focus on playing QB exclusively, and an offense schemed towards his strengths... Taysom Hill could run a version of the Baltimore offense with a CSP spin on it.

The fumbling issues can be fixed.

Taysom has the arm to make all of the throws... and folks posting video clips of Taysom under throwing Harris in the playoffs or Sanders in the 1st game vs Atlanta are being unfair IMO.
Hill came into that Vikings game as a 1-off play where he just chucked the ball up. Yes, Harris was wide open, but the ball was completed, and the underthrow was better than an overthrow...
The throw to Sanders was in Taysom’s 1st start at QB in like 4 years! ...and it came after only 1 week of practicing with the 1st team offense as the starter!

In the Denver game, CSP went on record saying that they basically scrapped their entire plan when they heard Denver was forced to start a PS WR at QB, and Taysom was told to take no chances and play extra careful!

The Philly game was a team loss, and yes, Taysom didn’t play well and made a critical fumble late, but again... that was his 4th start ever in the NFL. That loss was more on the defense and their inability to stop the run and Hurts more than anything.

Everyone just assumes that it will be Winston at QB... but everyone assumes the same thing last season when Brees got hurt... and it was Taysom.
He can not make all the throws look back to his college tape. He has always struggled with down field throws and indecisiveness.
 
...on top of that, I don't get the bashing of his play during those games filling in for Drew. There is much said about fumbles and that is what most stake their assessment on. I'd rather have him fighting to make plays out of nothing and that effort end up in a fumble than a horrible decision to a wide open WR in the flat and throw a pick 6. Hill has not had the true QB snaps and always progressing.

On another topic, there is nothing that CSP has said that has anointed Winston as the "clear" starter. He has said he likes what he has shown, he likes the POTENTIAL he has, purely from arm strength, etc. He says the same things about Hill, Seimian, etc. He won't throw a player in the competition under the bus when Winston needs to be lifted and given positive reinforcement.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that he's anointed Winston as the clear starter. There's also no reason to believe that Hill has an inside track to be the starter either. Sean would be doing this franchise a disservice by not letting these guys compete and letting the best man win. It's not Hill's job to lose. The job is up for grabs, period.
 
I don't think anyone is suggesting that he's anointed Winston as the clear starter. There's also no reason to believe that Hill has an inside track to be the starter either. Sean would be doing this franchise a disservice by not letting these guys compete and letting the best man win. It's not Hill's job to lose. The job is up for grabs, period.
There is a large collective of people who keep "quoting" CSP of Winston being the clear starter. This thread has comments to that. There WILL be a big competition and Payton has a certain trust in Hill. If Winston wins the nod, he will have earned it "hands down". That being said, Hill isn't being touted as the starter either, but he has a bit of a leg up on Winston at this moment due to being on the team a while, progressing and they know what they have in him more than with Winston. So, with that, Winston will have to do a LOT to show he can be the guy. If he does, WIN/WIN for us. Of course CSP will want a legit competition and will field the player he TRUSTS the most.
 
I just have to laugh. Recently asked how far into the season if Winston has a losing record would you go before making a change. Surprisingly (or not) the JW fans were arguing that even after an off season and true preseason to settle in he should have several games, even a whole season to get acclimatized and used to the system. Yet Taysom, who was not tasked with the backup role and practiced each week on his game install instead is washed up after 4 games when he was called up without warning to fill in.

See why I'm laughing?

  • JW's flaws can be coached out of him. Taysom's can't.
  • JW has a high upside, Taysom has already peaked.
  • JW after a preseason should have maybe half a season to settle in. Taysom has 4 games sprung on him out of the blue and he is washed up.
If you can't see the double standard and humor I can't help you.
In a vacuum, everything you said is reasonable but there is some cold reality that you simply are ignoring.

it is obvious that Winston has the skills to play QB at a high level... you’re right, he may never reach that level but where your argument falls apart is to watch Taysom Hill play and still think that he has the raw ability to be an upper level QB, you’re fooling yourself.

So pulling the plug on Winston without giving him every chance to “settle in” is A) ridiculous in of itself and B) pulling the plug on the season because Winston failing does not mean that Taysom is better, likely means the Saints don’t have a QB on the roster that they can win with.

lastly, there is something I’m not considering and that is that Winston is a COMPLETE DISASTER... I doubt that will be the case BUT i suspect that if JW is not Drew Brees, guys like you will be clamoring for Hill to “get his shot”
 
it is obvious that Winston has the skills to play QB at a high level... you’re right, he may never reach that level but where your argument falls apart is to watch Taysom Hill play and still think that he has the raw ability to be an upper level QB, you’re fooling yourself.
Yeah this is a weird narrative with both Winston and Taysom fan. Jaysom/Tameis fans just want the best player to win and put the team in the best postion on the field and locker room to win games. If not... We are drafting a new QB after 17 dreadful games. It's all a win-win in the long run, but I prefer to not waste a year of prime players to go back to the draw board and then probably draft a QB... Then, develop him over 3 years. Then, the offense is completely wasted.
 
In a vacuum, everything you said is reasonable but there is some cold reality that you simply are ignoring.

it is obvious that Winston has the skills to play QB at a high level... you’re right, he may never reach that level but where your argument falls apart is to watch Taysom Hill play and still think that he has the raw ability to be an upper level QB, you’re fooling yourself.

So pulling the plug on Winston without giving him every chance to “settle in” is A) ridiculous in of itself and B) pulling the plug on the season because Winston failing does not mean that Taysom is better, likely means the Saints don’t have a QB on the roster that they can win with.

lastly, there is something I’m not considering and that is that Winston is a COMPLETE DISASTER... I doubt that will be the case BUT i suspect that if JW is not Drew Brees, guys like you will be clamoring for Hill to “get his shot”
So the cold reality is that Winston is much better than Hill? How do their stats compare? Doesn't Hill have the edge? (overall and for their first 4 starts)
 

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