Is the fix in for Taysom? (3 Viewers)

[dataussie]

In a league which in 2020 saw Mitch Trubisky, Andy Dalton, Gardner Minshew, Sam Darnold, Nick Mullens, Cam Newton, Drew Luck, Teddy Bridgewater, Nick Foles, Carlton Wentz be declared starters, I think someone will give Taysom at least the chance to come in and compete for the job.

As for Taysom's age, more than ever, the NFL stands for Not For Long: no FO plans for the next decade anymore.

well mullens, dalton etc got an opportunity through injury, if the argument that taysom may go somewhere to be a backup and hope for an injury, then sure. He can do that in NO also.

As for the other guys, they are basically all being replaced by rookies, so yeah, i'm still pretty skeptical any FO is going to be willing to give a 32 yr old with so many questions marks a starting position (again this under the intial assumption he doesn't win the job here). When was the last time a 30+ year old QB with less then 5 starts got offered a contract to come be a starter at a different franchise ?

 

[Ihartsaints]

Even Ian Book with his 4.6 speed and ability to extend plays, plays more like Taysom than he does Winston.




I actually thought before the draft that Book would be a decent backup for Tre Lance in a play-action scheme for Shanahan in SF. I didn't think that he would come here instead.

I can see the reasoning now if the idea was to establish a system primarily based around an athletic qb and a ball control offense.

Book's strengths are screens and Short intermediate passes and bootlegs.

Is this Taysom Squared? One of the arguments against Taysom was the supposed loss of his production as the S.A.K.

Seems Book is well suited to fill that gap. He isn't Taysom fast but he is fast for a QB and the two of them on the same field together create interesting possibilities.

Payton already tried once to find a second Taysom is he headed that way with Book?

 

[SystemShock]

well mullens, dalton etc got an opportunity through injury, if the argument that taysom may go somewhere to be a backup and hope for an injury, then sure. He can do that in NO also.

Still, they started. And Mullens started for Garoppolo, who himself isn't that hot a QB.

As for the other guys, they are basically all being replaced by rookies,

Are they? Yet, they still started, some have been there for more than 1 season, and I can go back to 2019, 2018, 2017, to the beginning of time, and produce a similar list.

so yeah, i'm still pretty skeptical any FO is going to be willing to give a 32 yr old with so many questions marks a starting position (again this under the intial assumption he doesn't win the job here). When was the last time a 30+ year old QB with less then 5 starts got offered a contract to come be a starter at a different franchise ?

I never said he'd be offered a job as a starter, so don't shift the goal posts. And as far as age is concerned, when was the last time a franchise had a 10 year plan? 3 years, 5 years tops. And Taysom is in great shape; even in better shape than many younger QB's.

 

[Groovepro]

well mullens, dalton etc got an opportunity through injury, if the argument that taysom may go somewhere to be a backup and hope for an injury, then sure. He can do that in NO also.

As for the other guys, they are basically all being replaced by rookies, so yeah, i'm still pretty skeptical any FO is going to be willing to give a 32 yr old with so many questions marks a starting position (again this under the intial assumption he doesn't win the job here). When was the last time a 30+ year old QB with less then 5 starts got offered a contract to come be a starter at a different franchise ?

It all depends on who you have and who you can realistically afford to get in that franchise, too. There have been many a "head scratcher" on FA QB signings. There is no rhyme or reason. Sometimes it is just an infatuation or pure "potential" that someone feels the value is warranted an invite and the best option.

 

[Ihartsaints]

I honestly do not think there is some conspiracy theory to ensure one of the two QBs is the starter. I believe Payton when he says it will be a competition.

I'm unconvinced. Payton has to know that a competition hurts the team. Making players learn two styles and two cadences and two timings is not a great plan.

In the first preseason game, I suspect the pecking order will be known and the QB that takes to the field with the starters is the starter. Only a disastrous preseason would unseat him.

However, I still think that whoever starts better produce immediately or they will be benched.

 

[Ihartsaints]

You mean this under-thrown ball that should have been picked or knocked down. Look at every deep ball taysom has ever thrown. He’s not a QB, I don’t know why people still think this.

The one to Sanders for a TD in his last start was nice. The one you complain about flew 55 plus yards in the air. I remember his detractors arguing it was a bad throw. At the time I looked at all the deep passes that year and it was a top ten for air yards if I recall correctly.

But he is been measured against Jameis, who was 30% beep ball passer his last year.

 

[Ihartsaints]

No matter what happens in 2021, Taysom is already an NFL starting QB. He is also the only QB on our team with an NFL winning record.

 

[dataussie]

Still, they started. And Mullens started for Garoppolo, who himself isn't that hot a QB.


Are they? Yet, they still started, some have been there for more than 1 season, and I can go back to 2019, 2018, 2017, to the beginning of time, and produce a similar list.


I never said he'd be offered a job as a starter, so don't shift the goal posts. And as far as age is concerned, when was the last time a franchise had a 10 year plan? 3 years, 5 years tops. And Taysom is in great shape; even in better shape than many younger QB's.

Sorry but it's not me who shifted the goals posts, I was replying to someone else who said that if taysom isn't QB at saints he will just leave and go somewhere else, implying as if there were starting jobs out there for him. you were the one who then jumped in with a different take.

I have nothing against taysom, my whole point is that I don't buy into the opinion that if taysom doesn't win QB he is done with our organization. I think there's scenario where he realizes a joker position Within our organization is another way forward.

I'm not even saying he loses out to winston.

 

[BBarnes]

I’d say that’s 100% wrong.

Hill is making more $$ than Winston, and CSP has already made the decision to go with Hill over Winston when that decision needed to be made (in the midst of playoff race no less).

I would honestly say that Hill will have to lose the job to Winston... because at this point, the job is Hill’s

You can say what you’d like. He’s not going to be the starting QB. We saw enough last year to know he isn’t a starting QB. Otherwise we don’t even make the move for Winston, we don’t even create that doubt in his mind. The only way he’s got a legit shot to be the starter is injury or Winston just totally flakes out. If it was certain coaches I’d even give it higher percentage but I don’t see Sean as a coach that would tank for a high pick by starting Hill.

 

[cmire1]

I just have to laugh. Recently asked how far into the season if Winston has a losing record would you go before making a change. Surprisingly (or not) the JW fans were arguing that even after an off season and true preseason to settle in he should have several games, even a whole season to get acclimatized and used to the system. Yet Taysom, who was not tasked with the backup role and practiced each week on his game install instead is washed up after 4 games when he was called up without warning to fill in.

See why I'm laughing?

• JW's flaws can be coached out of him. Taysom's can't.
• JW has a high upside, Taysom has already peaked.
• JW after a preseason should have maybe half a season to settle in. Taysom has 4 games sprung on him out of the blue and he is washed up.

If you can't see the double standard and humor I can't help you.

buddy you just stated the truth that needed to be said. let the best man win

 

[Infoman]

I think you are off the mark tbh.

Which team is going to make taysom a starting QB if he doesnt win the job here ?

No idea... Maybe one of the handful that are looking for a new QB every year for one reason or another (long or short term)... Pick one. Someone signs Ryan FitzMagic every off season to be a potential starter for goodness sake... Every offseason!

 

[Ihartsaints]

"He’s not going to be the starting QB."
"he isn’t a starting QB"

He already is a Starting QB in the NFL.

And among all starting QB's since 1970 who have started more than 1 or 2 games he has the 6th best winning record.

Among active NFL QB's he has the 4th best record. Jameis is burried in the weeds with a .400 percentage. Tied with Chase Daniels at 40th among active QB's.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic and mocking how fans of Winston overestimate his chances.

 

[Taker597]

He already is a Starting QB in the NFL.

And among all starting QB's since 1970 who have started more than 1 or 2 games he has the 6th best winning record.

Among active NFL QB's he has the 4th best record. Jameis is burried in the weeds with a .400 percentage. Tied with Chase Daniels at 40th among active QB's.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic and mocking how fans of Winston overestimate his chances.

I love how you constantly try to call double standard, but constantly present one side information.

3-1 against a batch of opponents that are 17-46. If I can pull up the same level of competition for Winston. I'm pretty sure he'd have a winning record, but you want to compare two drastically different sample sides that has very little correlating evidence, but will always superficially favor Hill when he only had one great game.

I wish you guys drop the whole body of work arguments, because all those games from don't mean anything. They are both signed. They are gonna go Mortal Kombat for starting spot and the best thing for us. We are gonna have a different offense/style. We don't know what to expect from Hill or Winston with 100% of their attention trying to be not Tampa Bay QB or Drew Bress Back up, but Sean Payton Starting QB and his system that he builds around them..

I just want there to be fair ground and both sides are trying make theoretical high ground when the decision of who wins the job is completely out of our hands. So, the argument are just silly and more filler than a Dragon Ball Z episode.

It's not our fault or decision who becomes QB. So, I think more people should quit trying to pick sides and just be in the neutral ground.

 

[Saint Taysom]

He already is a Starting QB in the NFL.

And among all starting QB's since 1970 who have started more than 1 or 2 games he has the 6th best winning record.

Among active NFL QB's he has the 4th best record. Jameis is burried in the weeds with a .400 percentage. Tied with Chase Daniels at 40th among active QB's.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic and mocking how fans of Winston overestimate his chances.

The only things Winston has proven as a team’s starting QB is that he can’t lead a team to a playoff appearance with guys like Mike Evans and Chris Godwin at his disposal (among others) and talented players on defense.

He’s also proven to be a sketchy pickup on ride-share apps and an ineffective shoplifter.

 

[Saint Taysom]

3-1 against a batch of opponents that are 17-46.

Throw the Denver game out because they literally didn’t have a QB and the Saints played to not give their defense any shot... knowing their offense would be a joke.

Hill swept the Falcons... the Saints arch-rivals that every year you can say “throw out the records when these teams play”.