Let’s talk about Jameis (w/ Rev Deuce film study) (1 Viewer)

Man... That's is such a picture perfect play.

Great pick.
Great read.
Winston didn't sleep on Green Bay on switching on the pick. So, Winston high point the throw and settled for a FG if it misses
Amazing catch.
I think someone pointed out that Juwan should have been looking back on his outside shoulder not the inside shoulder.

(I don't have a clue how it should have been run, but.. if his defender was free and nearer to him, then perhaps what he did is the correct thing.)

:shrug:

But he did making an amazing adjustment to the ball and made an amazing catch!
 
See, to me, I think Winston has to make that outside shoulder pass. If that rub doesn't work at the LOS, the defender has a chance to make a play in coverage if it's thrown inside. That was a good anticipation pass as Winston is in his throwing motion before that final defender is fully screened out of the play.
Definitely not. Juwan was wide open before Winston threw the ball. The CB was so far out of the play that Winston could've made that an easy catch for Juwan by throwing it over his right shoulder, but it was thrown over his left shoulder, which forced Juwan to make an acrobatic play to catch it. Where it was thrown could've easily been an incompletion.
 
I think someone pointed out that Juwan should have been looking back on his outside shoulder not the inside shoulder.

(I don't have a clue how it should have been run, but.. if his defender was free and nearer to him, then perhaps what he did is the correct thing.)

:shrug:

But he did making an amazing adjustment to the ball and made an amazing catch!
Yeah... That route isn't crisp in the release or break, but it worked. Seem like he drifted too much inside leverage and not enough laterally to the edge where the ball was high pointed to the sideline. Yet, his adjustment made up for it. Which Winston above else was going to throw there to protect the ball.

This was after the overturned pick. So, Winston possibly was overly cautious, because he wanted to finish with no picks. At this point... I believe we was up 20+ and he was comfortable with settling for a FG.

Granted... If Winston would of lazered it... And if Green Bay was able to switch on that pick... That's pretty much a 100 yard Pick Six. Open field all day.
 
Yeah... That route isn't crisp in the release or break, but it worked. Seem like he drifted too much inside leverage and not enough laterally to the edge where the ball was high pointed to the sideline. Yet, his adjustment made up for it. Which Winston above else was going to throw there to protect the ball.

This was after the overturned pick. So, Winston possibly was overly cautious, because he wanted to finish with no picks. At this point... I believe we was up 20+ and he was comfortable with settling for a FG.

Granted... If Winston would of lazered it... And if Green Bay was able to switch on that pick... That's pretty much a 100 yard Pick Six. Open field all day.
Exactly. I just can't see how it was a bad pass by Winston.
 
But, if you equate "Shucking and Jiving" with "A bad guy" or "Someone who is bound to rape, pillage and steal" then sir, I have to direct you back to the early 20th Century, so you can give them back their misinformation.

I dont want to get seriously deep into this, but many guys you probably think are "Good" ...have done worse. They just had lineage, legacy, money and family that can make things go away, without any public knowing about it.
Shucking and Jiving? Not surprised you are trying to make this about race, it's your specialty.

I was complimentary about the way he went around and shook hands of every player on the team. It was a level of professionalism and inclusiveness with each team member that shows good leadership from the most important position in sports for leadership. You've also mentioned dancing in your replies to me about 3 times without me bringing it up once. You keep trying to paint this picture of my replies that aren't based in reality.

As for the his rape and sexual assault charges, it had nothing to do with his actions on the field and everything to do with drugging a girl and raping her then using his status to get protection from the charges. You've made it abundantly clear that you couldn't care less about the girl he raped or the uber driver he groped and then blamed it on alcohol. Amazing how one can get on a high horse about one group of people while burying another through gas lighting.

So you think many of the people I think are "good" are only good because of LINEAGE which in your mind justifies Winston's past? Yeah, I wouldn't want to get to deep into that either if I were you.

I'm out. Hopefully Winston continues to take baby steps to becoming a great QB because he has the talent to be great and no QB has ever achieved greatness in week 1.
 
I never suggested that there was anything dumbed down about the play calling. All I said was that he wasn't having to read the defense to make his TD throws, with exception of the throw to Harris. The others were short throws, and the WRs were wide open. Even on the jump ball to Juwan, he was wide open for a couple of seconds before Winston threw him the ball. It could've been a much easier TD if he had thrown it earlier. I give Winston credit for see the open receivers, and for going through the progressions, but it didn't take great throws, nor reading defenses to find the open man in most of his TDs. Winston managed the game situation well, and made some smart decisions with the ball, but I don't think he had a great game. I think the defense had a great game, and he helped the offense take advantage of that. I think he had a good game, yet he made numerous bad throws, and the receivers saved him on a couple of those, plus we got lucky on the interception. I think he's capable of great games with fewer bad throws and no luck needed to avoid interceptions, but that's not what was on display in this game.
I think he had a great game
Shucking and Jiving? Not surprised you are trying to make this about race, it's your specialty.

I was complimentary about the way he went around and shook hands of every player on the team. It was a level of professionalism and inclusiveness with each team member that shows good leadership from the most important position in sports for leadership. You've also mentioned dancing in your replies to me about 3 times without me bringing it up once. You keep trying to paint this picture of my replies that aren't based in reality.

As for the his rape and sexual assault charges, it had nothing to do with his actions on the field and everything to do with drugging a girl and raping her then using his status to get protection from the charges. You've made it abundantly clear that you couldn't care less about the girl he raped or the uber driver he groped and then blamed it on alcohol. Amazing how one can get on a high horse about one group of people while burying another through gas lighting.

So you think many of the people I think are "good" are only good because of LINEAGE which in your mind justifies Winston's past? Yeah, I wouldn't want to get to deep into that either if I were you.

I'm out. Hopefully Winston continues to take baby steps to becoming a great QB because he has the talent to be great and no QB has ever achieved greatness in week 1.
Brandon.....he has done none of that here though. Nothing at all about past incidents, nor bad behavior. None of it has ever been associated with his time in New Orleans. Just been a great teammate and helpful in the community. No reason for any of that to come up.
 
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I know you're being a facetious fanatic, but Winston didn't destroy the packers. Winston had one spectacular throw, and then the rest were very easy passes, plus he would've had an interception, if the dubious roughing call had not been made. He had 4 TDs that were less than 5 yard throws. Hogan and Juwan didn't have anyone within 5 yards of them on passes inside the 5 yard line, the 1/2 yard shuttle pass to Kamara, and Juwan made a great leaping catch on another TD pass inside the 5 yard line. The spectacular TD throw required arm strength and accuracy, so that's very promising, but it was wide open, since the defense didn't expect us to throw bombs when we were up 31 to 3. The reality is that the defense destroyed the packers, and the offense took advantage of their opportunities. Winston didn't have to do much other than hand the ball off and make easy throws almost all game. Any NFL QB would've had the same result up to the point it was 31 to 3. He was a game manager in this game. Nevertheless, I like what I saw in this game and in the preseason, and my inner fanatic is excited to see the progress he's made, but my rationale side knows it's premature to make any conclusions.
Naw my parade is all sunshine 5 days later. I am confident in a Sean Payton coached Jameis Winston. Also open receivers is not something I have seen in the last 10 years watching Saints football. That has everything to do with AK mismatches and James's ability to send the ball down field. Juwan's leaping catch was exactly where only he could catch it. I expect Jameis to start playing with son confidence going forward as well.
 
I'd give him a A- type performance. Started with a baseline B by doing a good job managing most of the game, wasn't asked to do too much and push the ball.

He had a few off-target throws, our receivers did a good job reeling them in and making them count. The reversed int was ugly, luckily it didn't count.

He had a couple of nice intermediate throws, on time and on target. A couple of nice touchdown passes. One under pressure, throw it high for the TE. The second was one of his more impressive throws. Step up and find the guy crossing.

He had the perfect dagger deep shot. I'm not huge on deep shots willy nilly, they are risky and low percentage. They need to be timed with the flow of the game and/or be a good read. That was both and on target.

He also had some nice runs, eating the green grass the defense gave him.

So nothing crazy for the most part, but efficient, I'd take that every week.
 
But, if you equate "Shucking and Jiving" with "A bad guy" or "Someone who is bound to rape, pillage and steal" then sir, I have to direct you back to the early 20th Century, so you can give them back their misinformation.

I dont want to get seriously deep into this, but many guys you probably think are "Good" ...have done worse. They just had lineage, legacy, money and family that can make things go away, without any public knowing about it.

Shucking and Jiving? Not surprised you are trying to make this about race, it's your specialty.

I was complimentary about the way he went around and shook hands of every player on the team. It was a level of professionalism and inclusiveness with each team member that shows good leadership from the most important position in sports for leadership. You've also mentioned dancing in your replies to me about 3 times without me bringing it up once. You keep trying to paint this picture of my replies that aren't based in reality.

As for the his rape and sexual assault charges, it had nothing to do with his actions on the field and everything to do with drugging a girl and raping her then using his status to get protection from the charges. You've made it abundantly clear that you couldn't care less about the girl he raped or the uber driver he groped and then blamed it on alcohol. Amazing how one can get on a high horse about one group of people while burying another through gas lighting.

So you think many of the people I think are "good" are only good because of LINEAGE which in your mind justifies Winston's past? Yeah, I wouldn't want to get to deep into that either if I were you.

I'm out. Hopefully Winston continues to take baby steps to becoming a great QB because he has the talent to be great and no QB has ever achieved greatness in week 1.
Brandon.....he has done none of that here though. Nothing at all about past incidents, nor bad behavior. None of it has ever been associated with his time in New Orleans. Just been a great teammate and helpful in the community. No reason for any of that to come up.

Fellows... Let's avoid discussion of Winston's past transgressions on this board, whether actual or not. I am sure that Coach Payton performed his due diligence and saw change and maturation in Winston. We all know how Payton is when it comes to a players character. Besides, it's going into sociopolitical territory, and we don't go there here anymore, remember?
 
I'd give him a A- type performance. Started with a baseline B by doing a good job managing most of the game, wasn't asked to do too much and push the ball.

He had a few off-target throws, our receivers did a good job reeling them in and making them count. The reversed int was ugly, luckily it didn't count.

He had a couple of nice intermediate throws, on time and on target. A couple of nice touchdown passes. One under pressure, throw it high for the TE. The second was one of his more impressive throws. Step up and find the guy crossing.

He had the perfect dagger deep shot. I'm not huge on deep shots willy nilly, they are risky and low percentage. They need to be timed with the flow of the game and/or be a good read. That was both and on target.

He also had some nice runs, eating the green grass the defense gave him.

So nothing crazy for the most part, but efficient, I'd take that every week.
I'd have to disagree. He only had a couple of off targets all game (mostly short short stuff in the flats). The biggest thing, and I mention this in the video, is when it came to 1. Obvious improvement on throwing mechanics and 2. Improved decision making. Question is do those two things stick (generally mechanical improvements are a product of proper (re)training and muscle memory. Thus, those 'shouldn't' go away even under duress) when games aren't close and he's under more pressure than he was against Green Bay.
 
Fellows... Let's avoid discussion of Winston's past transgressions on this board, whether actual or not. I am sure that Coach Payton performed his due diligence and saw change and maturation in Winston. We all know how Payton is when it comes to a players character. Besides, it's going into sociopolitical territory, and we don't go there here anymore, remember?
My apologies, it wasn't my intent when first posting on this thread. I still think Winston had a very good game but has a lot to prove over the course of a season or more, that was the only point I wanted to make then it went down hill from there.
 
My apologies, it wasn't my intent when first posting on this thread. I still think Winston had a very good game but has a lot to prove over the course of a season or more, that was the only point I wanted to make then it went down hill from there.

The same point being made, over and over.....keep it on-field.

Andrus, I been away a bit. Point taken on the sociopolitical, wholeheartedly agree.
 

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