Four Former Saints Are On The Preliminary List For The HOF (2 Viewers)

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Sam Mills, is hands down, a.bona-fide HOF. He just P'Oed off a few hard-core Saints fans, major Saints executives and Tom Benson in his decision to leave New Orleans to Carolina via FA or the supplemental draft and when he got there, all of a sudden, he gave off the impression that what he did here didnt matter or was second-rate. When you see or watch NFL Films old archival interviews, film clips of him or his life, he acts or gives the impression or NFL just shows what he did in Carolina and pretends, like HE NEVER forkING PLAYED HERE. That perception gap thats been disseminated over the years has always bothered me and Ive never been afraid to be loud and proud against it or to even to Saints fans on SR. I do believe Benson and a few other Saints executives privately held that against him, a grudge and that sentiment possibly still exists among a minority of Saints fans.

Swilling, there's an outside chance, but he wasnt always the most team-friendly sort of player in his last couple of seasons as a Saint and according to Mora, he felt Swilling got a bit too selfish as his career blossomed by the early 90's and that was partly a determining factor in why Finks traded him to Detroit for their #1 draft pick which we used to later choose Willie Roaf.

La'Roi Glover had a great career for a very long time and yeah, Haslett, Venturi, and Mueller were forking idiots for choosing to resign Joe Johnson over him during the 2001-02 off-season. They never bothered to calculate any scenario where they might lose them both because once they settled in on resigning Joe Johnson, his agent began playing hard-ball and Mueller signalled he wasnt going to negotiate that way so the Packers slipped in and signed him away.

If Joe Horn had had maybe 3-4 Pro Bowl more caliber seasons, he might be considered borderline HOF material but he doesn't have over 10,000+ receiving yards during his career, and since the mid-70's, thats one of several key determining factors in separating very good NFL WRs like Stanley Morgan, Irving Fryar, Deion Branch from borderline possible NFL HOF WRs like Donald Driver, certainly Hines Ward and for a long time until several years ago, Art Monk.

I mean, seriously why in the hell did Art Monk have to wait nearly 15 forking years to be inducted into Canton when his career was far more productive, more successful in terms of SB wins/appearances and overall statistical performance than WRs who were inducted before he was.

And why isn't his long-lost Oakland/L.A. Raiders brother-in-arms WR predecessor Cliff Branch not been inducted either?
 
Saintman2884 said:
Sam Mills, is hands down, a.bona-fide HOF. He just P'Oed off a few hard-core Saints fans, major Saints executives and Tom Benson in his decision to leave New Orleans to Carolina via FA or the supplemental draft and when he got there, all of a sudden, he gave off the impression that what he did here didnt matter or was second-rate. When you see or watch NFL Films old archival interviews, film clips of him or his life, he acts or gives the impression or NFL just shows what he did in Carolina and pretends, like HE NEVER forkING PLAYED HERE. That perception gap thats been disseminated over the years has always bothered me and Ive never been afraid to be loud and proud against it or to even to Saints fans on SR. I do believe Benson and a few other Saints executives privately held that against him, a grudge and that sentiment possibly still exists among a minority of Saints fans.

Swilling, there's an outside chance, but he wasnt always the most team-friendly sort of player in his last couple of seasons as a Saint and according to Mora, he felt Swilling got a bit too selfish as his career blossomed by the early 90's and that was partly a determining factor in why Finks traded him to Detroit for their #1 draft pick which we used to later choose Willie Roaf.

La'Roi Glover had a great career for a very long time and yeah, Haslett, Venturi, and Mueller were forking idiots for choosing to resign Joe Johnson over him during the 2001-02 off-season. They never bothered to calculate any scenario where they might lose them both because once they settled in on resigning Joe Johnson, his agent began playing hard-ball and Mueller signalled he wasnt going to negotiate that way so the Packers slipped in and signed him away.

If Joe Horn had had maybe 3-4 Pro Bowl more caliber seasons, he might be considered borderline HOF material but he doesn't have over 10,000+ receiving yards during his career, and since the mid-70's, thats one of several key determining factors in separating very good NFL WRs like Stanley Morgan, Irving Fryar, Deion Branch from borderline possible NFL HOF WRs like Donald Driver, certainly Hines Ward and for a long time until several years ago, Art Monk.

I mean, seriously why in the hell did Art Monk have to wait nearly 15 forking years to be inducted into Canton when his career was far more productive, more successful in terms of SB wins/appearances and overall statistical performance than WRs who were inducted before he was.

And why isn't his long-lost Oakland/L.A. Raiders brother-in-arms WR predecessor Cliff Branch not been inducted either?
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Art Monk had to wait so long because just like Marques Colston he was not a self-promoter of any sort. These 2 just went to work every day and did their jobs at an elite level. On and off the field, both were the embodiment of pure class. Witness Aaron Rogers self-promotion efforts and compare that to Monk or Colston,

Monk is a relative of jazz pianist Thelonius Monk, and when Colston was asked in his rookie year what it was he liked most about playing in the NFL, he replied "After the game is over I don't have to go back to the dorm and study" :)
 
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Art Monk had to wait so long because just like Marques Colston he was not a self-promoter of any sort. These 2 just went to work every day and did their jobs at an elite level. Witness Aaron Rogers self-promotion efforts and compare that to Monk or Colston,
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Sort of like a NFL version of Cal Ripken Jr. but strangely never received the mass awareness, appreciation, and enormous, incessant publicity for being one of the very best position WRs in NFL history. He was just outstanding and peerless in doing his job, for a very long time.


BTW, Has Tim Brown been inducted yet? In terms of all-time Raider HOF "bad boys", nasty, wild grown juvenile delinquents in the state of California that franchise has amassed, drafted, groomed and presented to the world, Tim Brown has the personality, attitude, and demeanor equivalent to that of a ordained Roman Catholic priest and not just because he attended Notre Dame for college, either.
 
Certainly Mills. He was exceptional at both leadership and athleticism. And, when you die young, you tend to appear more heroic.

Horn was great to have, but basically he was just another prima-donna WR and not the best of his generation (either at WR-ing or at prima-donna-ing).

Swilling was a one-dimensional speed-rusher who was a great chess piece amidst the Dome Patrol but not HOF-worthy as an individual.

LaRoi Glover was great, but as a lineman on a small-market team, he just won't get the votes.
 
Evans will be eligible during the 2023 season but might have to wait a couple of years. Drew will get in as a first ballot in 2026. I would love to see them go in at the same time.
 
Mills is the only legitimate chance to get in. The others.....not so much. Even ever.

Sort of off topic but within the topic. There are players, I think, that should be in the Hall of Fame right now. Of course Sam Mills, but I also want to add Roger Craig and John Taylor.
 
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Certainly Mills. He was exceptional at both leadership and athleticism. And, when you die young, you tend to appear more heroic.

Horn was great to have, but basically he was just another prima-donna WR and not the best of his generation (either at WR-ing or at prima-donna-ing).

Swilling was a one-dimensional speed-rusher who was a great chess piece amidst the Dome Patrol but not HOF-worthy as an individual.

LaRoi Glover was great, but as a lineman on a small-market team, he just won't get the votes.
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If La'roi Glover had maybe finished his career with 15-20 more career sacks by the time his playing days were over, he might've conceivably gotten more attention by some HOF voters, writers, pundits, commentators regardless of whatever NFL market he played in. For any NFL DE, finishing your career in and around or over 100 sacks most times puts you on the borderline, "maybe" HOF induction watch. Thats one reason why if Cameron Jordan can surpass 100+ career sacks, adding on a ton of regular-season and postseason success, he might have a decent chance at making the HOF. But if a NFL DT collects 95-100 career sacks and played on respectable, contending teams most of his career, it creates other, unique factors that have to be noticed and commended. Most NFL DTs are double, and sometimes, even triple teamed by opposing O-lines, on most offensive snaps. Their job, a good DT or NT job is to break down the inner offensive wall between C, RG and LG, so that rushing RDE or LDEs or OILBs are left with free lanes to rush the QB, create pressure that rattles QBs. NTs and DTs usually don't get too many sacks in of themselves or its a bit more difficult for them as their the ones trying to break down O-lines. Sure, theres a few exceptions like Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork, and now Fletcher Cox in Philly, but there a relatively small club.
 
I wish they had a Hall of Fame for units. The Dome Patrol would surely be one the first inductees.
 

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