Gotta Re-sign Jameis at This Point (2 Viewers)

[StudioSaint]

I had no problem with binary. Assembly code is what made me change my major from computer science to computer information systems.

I was actually saying you only see the world in terms of binary, which is the exact opposite of saying you have a problem with binary. It's very clear you have a very binary view of the world.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

I agree that Winston, is or should be, our QB next year but I have to call BS on all the people who consistently ignore Hills contribution at QB. Why is it that JW fans can't be TH too? I'm especially surprised by Bonchie's take on it because he's one of the most sensible posters on this board.

If you can put a QB in the game and have a reasonable expectation of beating any other team in the League he's not a horrible QB. Taysom Hill is a good QB. Not great but certainly not nearly as pathetic as his detractors make him out to be. He's definitely our best back up (and Siemien's not either) And he getting better with experience.

(Yeah even a decrepit, old man of 33 year is capable of growing in their craft.)

Quite simply, Boutte, I think many, if not a large majority of us don't ignore Hill's contributions and definitely don't hate him. IMO, Taysom's picture is also still incomplete because he has been playing without a decent, healthy offensive line and he's been playing with an injured finger. Taysom's passing was very sharp against Atlanta as he finally had better protection.

That said, when someone says that they don't see him as a starting QB it is not without merit and doesn't mean it is a potshot at Taysom. I'm pleasantly surprised by Taysom's overall play. Am I comfortable if it was decided to go with him as our starter for next season and beyond? No, I'm afraid not. But I still love the guy and everything he brings, including as a backup QB.

 

[DaveXA]

I agree that Winston, is or should be, our QB next year but I have to call BS on all the people who consistently ignore Hills contribution at QB. Why is it that JW fans can't be TH too? I'm especially surprised by Bonchie's take on it because he's one of the most sensible posters on this board.

If you can put a QB in the game and have a reasonable expectation of beating any other team in the League he's not a horrible QB. Taysom Hill is a good QB. Not great but certainly not nearly as pathetic as his detractors make him out to be. He's definitely our best back up (and Siemien's not either) And he getting better with experience.

(Yeah even a decrepit, old man of 33 year is capable of growing in their craft.)

I would just say that I tend to agree with Bonchie's take regarding Hill, and primarily because he's had some injury issues. If he was the full time starter, I'm confident he'd do quite well, but will be able to stay healthy considering his style of play? I'm not so sure. And that's why I would not go into any future season with Hill as the projected starting qb.

And to another poster's point, he hasn't exactly lit the world on fire while qb either. He's still got a lot to prove if he goes to full time starter. Can he be consistent and put up decent numbers every week and protect the football at the same time? Possibly.

That said, I think Hill's most effective role and where we'll be able to exploit mismatches is with Hill working the joker role and he and Kamara getting on the field at the same time. It will put a lot of pressure on defenses with Hill in the joker/situational qb role.

 

[Jesse Custer]

I see people saying, "bring in competition for Jameis." Who, exactly? The closest performer to him who's a free agent is Trevor Siemian. The others are all garbage aside from Teddy Two Gloves, whose ceiling thus far in his career is a little over 6 games of Winston this season.

 

[boutte]

Quite simply, Boutte, I think many, if not a large majority of us don't ignore Hill's contributions and definitely don't hate him. IMO, Taysom's picture is also still incomplete because he has been playing without a decent, healthy offensive line and he's been playing with an injured finger. Taysom's passing was very sharp against Atlanta as he finally had better protection.

That said, when someone says that they don't see him as a starting QB it is not without merit and doesn't mean it is a potshot at Taysom. I'm pleasantly surprised by Taysom's overall play. Am I comfortable if it was decided to go with him as our starter for next season and beyond? No, I'm afraid not. But I still love the guy and everything he brings, including as a backup QB.

I don't want Taysom as our starting QB. I always lead with that. But I feel good about him coming in for a few games if needed. I believe that with Hill at QB we can beat anybody especially with a whole team and not some collection of rag tags (Love those guys!).

I hope he heals up and comes back to terrorize defenses for years to come.

 

[DaveXA]

I don't want Taysom as our starting QB. I always lead with that. But I feel good about him coming in for a few games if needed. I believe that with Hill at QB we can beat anybody especially with a whole team and not some collection of rag tags (Love those guys!).

I hope he heals up and comes back to terrorize defenses for years to come.

Agree 100%. If he needs to start a few games because of injuries or whatever, he can and should. Ideally we'd have Winston starting, Book as backup if he's ready, and Hill in that 3rd or situational role. But Book might need another year before he's ready. We'll see I guess.

 

[boutte]

Agree 100%. If he needs to start a few games because of injuries or whatever, he can and should. Ideally we'd have Winston starting, Book as backup if he's ready, and Hill in that 3rd or situational role. But Book might need another year before he's ready. We'll see I guess.

I say we go into next year with the same QB room. Siemian is probably gone but I think he's be a good guy to come in if the starter goes down. He's not a bad QB.

I think Jameis will have a good year. He should know the system by now and really don't think he wants move on from this team. With Payton he can finally reach his full potential. The guy has an amazing arm and when playing under control can thread the needle. I'm actually excited about him. Never thought I'd say that!

Taysom reminds me of Billy Kilmer. Or Joe Kapp. Neither were great passers but they were inspiring leaders to their teams.
The big star for us (besides Jimmy Taylor) was supposed to be Gary Cuozzo who is who I would compare TS to.
Very polished, experienced good passer but no umph! When they finally put Kilmer in the whole team just exploded with energy. That's what Taysom gives you.

Maybe JW will be our new Archie.

 

[Saintamaniac]

You got a nice gallery of haters there. You should be proud of it.
CLOWNS! They just love clowns.
They get to insult you without having to try to write a real sentence.

I'm going to vote your post a clown post and here is why.

There is a difference between calling someone a clown and thinking that what they posted was clown-like. 1 person voted with a clown. The others laughed or chuckled. They probably did so because they didn't agree with the assertion that was made, especially based on the performances while starting in relief of the starting QB.

Getting clown votes does not mean that you are being called a clown. It means that others found any of your assertions to be without merit based on observations. Making post that others see as clownish isn't something to be proud of. It's something that should push the poster to make a more cogent argument; not one based on emotion.

I think you know that there is difference between calling someone a clown and voting their post with a clown vote. For that, I felt like your post deserved a clown vote.

 

[Judge_Smails]

I'm going to vote your post a clown post and here is why.

There is a difference between calling someone a clown and thinking that what they posted was clown-like. 1 person voted with a clown. The others laughed or chuckled. They probably did so because they didn't agree with the assertion that was made, especially based on the performances while starting in relief of the starting QB.

Getting clown votes does not mean that you are being called a clown. It means that others found any of your assertions to be without merit based on observations. Making post that others see as clownish isn't something to be proud of. It's something that should push the poster to make a more cogent argument; not one based on emotion.

I think you know that there is difference between calling someone a clown and voting their post with a clown vote. For that, I felt like your post deserved a clown vote.

 

[Duckhunter]

I've really enjoyed this thread because it brought out the old Iron Era, Billy Joe era, folks. Sometimes we don't remember how spoiled we became. But I love the debate.

Duckhunter

 

[boutte]

I'm going to vote your post a clown post and here is why.

There is a difference between calling someone a clown and thinking that what they posted was clown-like. 1 person voted with a clown. The others laughed or chuckled. They probably did so because they didn't agree with the assertion that was made, especially based on the performances while starting in relief of the starting QB.

Getting clown votes does not mean that you are being called a clown. It means that others found any of your assertions to be without merit based on observations. Making post that others see as clownish isn't something to be proud of. It's something that should push the poster to make a more cogent argument; not one based on emotion.

I think you know that there is difference between calling someone a clown and voting their post with a clown vote. For that, I felt like your post deserved a clown vote.

No there isn't. It's insulting either way.

 

[Saintamaniac]

No there isn't. It's insulting either way.

Thicker skin would help. Not everyone is going to agree with everyone's take on things especially when so many other people can see what the poster is obviously not seeing. If someone decides to be offended because someone didn't agree with them, that's their problem.

 

[Que Que 6]

Quite simply, Boutte, I think many, if not a large majority of us don't ignore Hill's contributions and definitely don't hate him. IMO, Taysom's picture is also still incomplete because he has been playing without a decent, healthy offensive line and he's been playing with an injured finger. Taysom's passing was very sharp against Atlanta as he finally had better protection.

That said, when someone says that they don't see him as a starting QB it is not without merit and doesn't mean it is a potshot at Taysom. I'm pleasantly surprised by Taysom's overall play. Am I comfortable if it was decided to go with him as our starter for next season and beyond? No, I'm afraid not. But I still love the guy and everything he brings, including as a backup QB.

This point sums it up. Not one person here dislikes Hill or devalues what he brings to the team as a football player.

 

[Usmfan84]

I think we should as well, but I'm not going to lie and say "I wasn't" impressed with TH this year. He started at QB with a much worse offense than Winston had. By the time TH took over he had nobody blocking for him. He also sustained a "mallet" finger and still played. Callaway started looking real good with TH under center. I think TH and Winston assuming both can stay healthy would look decent in this offense with another WR and a healthy O-line. My biggest concern with TH is staying healthy with that many snaps and I just don't see him staying healthy enough taking 100% of the snaps on a 17 game schedule.

 

[sfidc3]

I assume you mean I haven’t paid attention to the arm chair coaches on this forum and am considering the real world instead.

what color is the sky in your real world? I mean folks are acting like JW threw a bunch of INT's or something....he played winning football with a 4-1 TD/INT ratio....was he perfect? No....Did he make plays that won games? Yes, he was particularly effective in the red zone, which few of his detractors will acknowledge....are there still questions? Of course, but I think we saw enough to know that CSP did some great work with him and it's very likely that he would continue to improve...I hope we get to find out next year...

I would just say that I tend to agree with Bonchie's take regarding Hill, and primarily because he's had some injury issues. If he was the full time starter, I'm confident he'd do quite well, but will be able to stay healthy considering his style of play?

This is what I've been saying all along. I think TH can win games in the NFL on a short term basis but unless his style of play changes he won't last a season as a starter....