As much as it pains for me to say this... We should re-sign Tre'Quan Smith. (1 Viewer)

[meily]

TQS is another Meachem, a utility WR who wont command a lot of money but knows the system and will make his share of plays and does the dirty work.

 

[Snakehead]

TQS is another Meachem, a utility WR who wont command a lot of money but knows the system and will make his share of plays and does the dirty work.

Exactly and he was drafted in Round 3 whereas Meach was drafted in Round 1.

 

[Nolan]

Accepting mediocrity is a recipe to accepting losing. I am not of that mindset. Sorry.

So with this line of thinking I guess you wanted to give up on PJ Williams after his 1st contract? Not every player is going to be a superstar or give you elite production, but young players still develop and depth is important in the NFL. A guy like TQS will have serious value on a cheap 1 year deal even if it's just for depth alone. We still need to add better talent at WR but there's no reason not to bring him back when his value to us is really nice relative to what he'll cost us.

 

[Saintcd]

Keeping TQS near vet minimum in now way stops the team from bringing in WRs to upgrade the position. All it does is creates more competition for the #4 and #5 spots and allows the team a decent floor if none of the guys they bring in turn out to be better this year. And, if other guys beat out TQS, you cut him and move forward. It essentially costs nothing since he would likely sign near vet minimum.

I get what your saying.

The scenario I see playing out:

He outperforms the scrubs they bring in, makes the team and we have the same result. It essentially does cost us a spot in the roster and we pay him because of his screen pass blocking ability because he can’t do his job and get separation and catch, we have to resort to using screens more.

It’s time just to keep MT, callaway, Harris and get rid of everyone else. Draft a Wr, sign a vet WR and bring in some new blood. I wouldn’t even want to put any of the released players on the practice squad. If the haven’t made it by now, they’re not going to.

 

[St. Widge]

Thanks for bringing up Austin carr. Couldn’t remember his name, but TQS is Carr 2.0 or the Andy (let’s keep bringing him back) tanner.

TQS has 112 catches for 1,486 yards and 17 TDs in his 4 year career.

Carr had 13 catches for 133 yard and 3 TDs in his 4 year career.

Even if you ignore that TQS is a much better blocker, Carr wasn't close to the player TQS is and TQS is far from good.

 

[Snakehead]

So with this line of thinking I guess you wanted to give up on PJ Williams after his 1st contract? Not every player is going to be a superstar or give you elite production, but young players still develop and depth is important in the NFL. A guy like TQS will have serious value on a cheap 1 year deal even if it's just for depth alone. We still need to add better talent at WR but there's no reason not to bring him back when his value to us is really nice relative to what he'll cost us.

SF would probably sign him in a heartbeat since his strengths fit their offense. Then when we play the Niners next year and he pancakes one of our DBs blocking for Deebo or he makes a big play with Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle blocking fans would wonder why we didn't keep him.

 

[St. Widge]

I get what your saying.

The scenario I see playing out:

He outperforms the scrubs they bring in, makes the team and we have the same result. It essentially does cost us a spot in the roster and we pay him because of his screen pass blocking ability because he can’t do his job and get separation and catch, we have to resort to using screens more.

It’s time just to keep MT, callaway, Harris and get rid of everyone else. Draft a Wr, sign a vet WR and bring in some new blood. I wouldn’t even want to put any of the released players on the practice squad. If the haven’t made it by now, they’re not going to.

If he's better than the guys you bring in, why would you not keep him? He's a solid WR that blocks well and knows the system. If that is your #4 or #5 WR, then it's fine. Why would you get rid of a solid #4 or #5 WR if you don't know if the guys you are brining in are better?

Again, signing TQS for near the vet minimum would not stop the team from drafting or signing guys they think are better than TQS. It essentially costs nothing to keep him since vet minimum contracts basically mean nothing to the salary cap and obviously doesn't cost you draft picks.

 

[Nolan]

SF would probably sign him in a heartbeat since his strengths fit their offense. Then when we play the Niners next year and he pancakes one of our DBs blocking for Deebo or he makes a big play with Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle blocking fans would wonder why we didn't keep him.

I know he gets a lot of credit for his blocking, and rightfully so but when he's healthy he adds value as a pass catcher as well. Unfortunately he only got a game and a half with Jameis, but I'd be interested in seeing what that connection looks like when both are healthy for a full season. He's a tough, physical receiver who has shown he can make contested catches reliably and runs well after the catch. His biggest problem has been health, which is a legimate complaint. To quote Jerrah, "Can't make the club in the tub"

I think he should be back, but we should without a doubt add another talented receiver to compete, ideally in the draft.

 

[SweetT]

TQS isn't going anywhere. He's not a top WR, but he's a role player and can play every WR position. He knows the system and that is paramount in CSP's offense. Whoever thinks otherwise hasn't been watching the Saints for the last 16 seasons. Last year Emmanuel Sanders said he struggled for part of the season because he didn't know the system yet. Most recently, LJH's performance has improved because he's learned the system.

For comparison below is Meachem and TQS stats through their first 4 seasons. Meach had more games played and played during peak Brees years whereas TQS played at the twilight of Brees career including 2 seasons were Brees missed games and a season without Brees. Their per game averages and catch rate aren't that much different.


Meach
GP: 62
GS: 25
Yards: 2269
TDs: 23
Targets: 210
Rec: 141
Catch rate: 67%
TQS
GP: 51
GS: 29
Yards: 1486
TDs: 17
Targets: 169
Rec: 112
Catch rate: 66.3%

There's a certain WR in SF who had some issues in his 2nd season with injuries and durability. In his 3rd season he embraced a role that capitalized on his strengths as a player. I don't think TQS can be full Deebo, but he can be Deebo light. Their combines were similar with the major difference being that TQS is a little taller and about 10lbs lighter, but he is a physical receiver. He's not afraid to go across the middle and has taken some hits. He also has delivered some blows of his own, just ask Tack McKinley who he pancaked on national TV.

Can he honestly play every WR position??? Bc if he could, then he would’ve been more productive than he has been. Funny you bring up Meach when talking about TQS. Both struggled with the playbook their first year. I still don’t think TQS has a firm grasp of it. So, I’m not in the camp of he knows the playbook. Also, Sanders signed with us the first Covid year. No training camp, no in person position meetings, no preseason games. He also said that he had to cram a lot of studying in very little time, in order to learn half of it. Plus, he said our system runs a lot of the same concepts as other teams in the NFL, and that the terminology is different. So, by teams running the same concepts, it becomes a matter of a player putting in the time to learn the terminology. MT had problems learning the playbook his freshman year at OSU. Never had an issue with ours and I bet ours is more complex than the one he used at OSU. It’s a matter of putting in the time and that does not mean someone else can’t come in and get it down, with providing us more than TQS has given us. Time to move on

 

[Snakehead]

I know he gets a lot of credit for his blocking, and rightfully so but when he's healthy he adds value as a pass catcher as well. Unfortunately he only got a game and a half with Jameis, but I'd be interested in seeing what that connection looks like when both are healthy for a full season. He's a tough, physical receiver who has shown he can make contested catches reliably and runs well after the catch. His biggest problem has been health, which is a legimate complaint. To quote Jerrah, "Can't make the club in the tub"

I think he should be back, but we should without a doubt add another talented receiver to compete, ideally in the draft.

I agree. His he's had some blunders and injuries which is all people remember. They fail to remember the difficult catches he's made across the middle getting lit up and end the endzone for TDs.

 

[26ISTHEMAN]

I probably agree with the OP. I saw a few sparks in TQS this season that I had not seen before. Maybe he breaks out next year. Either way, it has to be a very team-friendly deal.

 

[rsmith2783]

Coach loves big receivers that can block. So I only see him staying because of that reason, but I would be looking to move on truthfully. He is an upgrade over Brandon Coleman though.

 

[Snakehead]

Can he honestly play every WR position??? Bc if he could, then he would’ve been more productive than he has been. Funny you bring up Meach when talking about TQS. Both struggled with the playbook their first year. I still don’t think TQS has a firm grasp of it. So, I’m not in the camp of he knows the playbook. Also, Sanders signed with us the first Covid year. No training camp, no in person position meetings, no preseason games. He also said that he had to cram a lot of studying in very little time, in order to learn half of it. Plus, he said our system runs a lot of the same concepts as other teams in the NFL, and that the terminology is different. So, by teams running the same concepts, it becomes a matter of a player putting in the time to learn the terminology. MT had problems learning the playbook his freshman year at OSU. Never had an issue with ours and I bet ours is more complex than the one he used at OSU. It’s a matter of putting in the time and that does not mean someone else can’t come in and get it down, with providing us more than TQS has given us. Time to move on

He can play the X, Y and Z positions. I read it somewhere that's he's probably better at the X, but that's MT position and Callaway plays the X. He doesn't have game breaking top end speed so even though he can play the Z, he may not be as effective. That leaves him in the slot at the Y. So yes he can play the positions, but can he be better, absolutely.

 

[SweetT]

He can play the X, Y and Z positions. I read it somewhere that's he's probably better at the X, but that's MT position and Callaway plays the X. He doesn't have game breaking top end speed so even though he can play the Z, he may not be as effective. That leaves him in the slot at the Y. So yes he can play the positions, but can he be better, absolutely.

I’ll contend that he’s not effective at the X, Y, or Z. He’s just not good enough at any of those positions and that’s the issue. SP is a mastermind at creating mismatches. TQS is not a mismatch at any position. He’s a mismatch when the opposing team has a brain fart and leaves him wide open, but that’s about it. Every game I literally forget that he’s on the team until I see him in uniform and that’s even if he’s healthy enough to be in uniform. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on. It says a lot about him when UDFAs produce more than him.

 

[Saintcd]

If he's better than the guys you bring in, why would you not keep him? He's a solid WR that blocks well and knows the system. If that is your #4 or #5 WR, then it's fine. Why would you get rid of a solid #4 or #5 WR if you don't know if the guys you are brining in are better?

Again, signing TQS for near the vet minimum would not stop the team from drafting or signing guys they think are better than TQS. It essentially costs nothing to keep him since vet minimum contracts basically mean nothing to the salary cap and obviously doesn't cost you draft picks.

The problem is when you bring in udfa scrubs to complete with him, he wins by knowing the playbook. TQS competing with udfa is like MT competing against TQS. No challenge.


He’s a low end #4, 5 WR and he’s being used like a #2,3 WR. That’s how much we’ve neglected the receiving corps. I get COVID games, but even prior to that. I get it’s not his fault he’s being put in that position, but the idea of settling because he can do his secondary job in blocking while underperforming his primary role at WR. Ugh!