Ukraine (52 Viewers)

[HoustonSaint68]

Some think that NATO should pressure Ukraine to "pocket" its gains and not push for expelling Russian forces from all of Ukraine because it would be costly (lives) and risky. I think the whole point of much of this is to let Ukraine make its own decisions about what happens in Ukraine.

Ukraine’s Way Out

Strategic prudence argues in favor of pocketing successes rather than pressing the fight and running the tantamount risks.

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I totally agree although I also have no problem with purely MILITARY advice from NATO along those lines if that's what the experts think relative to the mid-to-long-term military strategic security of Ukraine. I'm worried about a different kind of pocket.

 

[boutte]

The thing I'm most jealous of is the young leadership they have. Our country is ran by ancient career politicians with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

Couldn't agree more. And I'm pretty old.

 

[DaveXA]

Some think that NATO should pressure Ukraine to "pocket" its gains and not push for expelling Russian forces from all of Ukraine because it would be costly (lives) and risky. I think the whole point of much of this is to let Ukraine make its own decisions about what happens in Ukraine.

Ukraine’s Way Out

Strategic prudence argues in favor of pocketing successes rather than pressing the fight and running the tantamount risks.

www.theatlantic.com

The only concern I have is that you'd have Russia always being a short hop, step away from invading again after they resupply and reinforce their forces. It's a real strategic risk for Ukraine to stand pat where they are. They would be doing exactly what Russia hopes they'll do. But idk. Would depend on what Ukraine wants to do.

 

[Sailorsaint]

The only concern I have is that you'd have Russia always being a short hop, step away from invading again after they resupply and reinforce their forces. It's a real strategic risk for Ukraine to stand pat where they are. They would be doing exactly what Russia hopes they'll do. But idk. Would depend on what Ukraine wants to do.

I just hope NATO doesn't try to pressure them into a compromise by cutting off aid.

 

[baarbogast]

I wish I could find this ridiculous, but It seems to be the norm

 

[Sailorsaint]

This whole Mariupol surrender thing has me worried about what Russia is going to do with them. Kill them? Demand a trade of war criminals for them? Torture? Or just hold them while they slowly kill them off for one reason or another? I really have a hard time thinking that any good will come of this.

 

[Tapxe]

This whole Mariupol surrender thing has me worried about what Russia is going to do with them. Kill them? Demand a trade of war criminals for them? Torture? Or just hold them while they slowly kill them off for one reason or another? I really have a hard time thinking that any good will come of this.

They've already done a few prisoner exchanges, so it seems they are willing to deal. I wouldn't trust them, but doubt there was any other option than to try.

 

[baarbogast]

This guy is an Ukraine airline pilot, his videos are very informative.

 

[Sailorsaint]

 

[baarbogast]

Sailorsaint: To answer your questions, I spoke with them just after the Hungarian elections and before the French elections. The people I spoke with are all between 40 and 65 and work in eductation. These folks remember the revolutions of 1989-91, and fear they may have to go through another.

Their Primary concerns internally:
1) Orban keeps changing the constitution legally and is making himself an elected dictator.
2) Orbans' policies my lose 40/BN in euros earmarked for Hungary.
3) He is a Putin devotee and wants to go back to the 1970's-80's Soviet bootlicking.
4) Although Highly unlikely now, joining Ukraine in becoming satellite countries again.
5) Getting kicked out of both NATO and the EU because of domestic and international policies.

Concerns externally:
1) That Ukraine is extremely corrupt. Hungary identifies as central Europe and believes Eastern Europe is inherently untrust worthy.
2) Funding to help with the refugee crisis will be pulled and Hungary will be bankrupted.
3) Highly unlikely now, but they were concerned about artillery and missiles hitting inside the border.
4) People with relatives crossing the border being arrested for harboring "terrorists" because they may have crossed before The major refugee flood and getting a government document.

 

[superchuck500]

I just hope NATO doesn't try to pressure them into a compromise by cutting off aid.

I don’t think that will happen.

 

[Sailorsaint]

I don’t think that will happen.

I surely hope not, and don’t necessarily believe it will, but crazier things have happened.

 

[superchuck500]

I surely hope not, and don’t necessarily believe it will, but crazier things have happened.

I think as long as Ukraine military operations remain organized and acting in defense of Ukraine, fighting and killing Russian attackers, the key players in the West will continue to provide support.

 

[Sailorsaint]

A very interesting look inside a Russian Mega mall in Moscow 3 months after sanctions. Burger King, Subway, etc. still operating, Gap open, etc. And it surprised me how many stores, even Russian brand stores, have their names in english on front.

 

[Xeno]

I surely hope not, and don’t necessarily believe it will, but crazier things have happened.

Congress has reinstated the Lend-Lease Act and waived the standard five year maximum. It passed both chambers nearly unanimously if I'm not mistaken. They even made it retroactive, dating the beginning of the conflict to 2014 and the annexation of Crimea. The US has explicitly stated we'll be supporting Ukraine at least until Russian forces have left, and that includes Crimea.