Take this pole: What is the biggest problem for the Saints this year? (3 Viewers)

[Saintcd]

No... I have no idea if the playcalling has been bad... because I have no idea if the QB who is running the plays is capable of doing so at a high and consistent level.

On top of that, Pete called plays in 2012 when CSP was suspended, and we fielded a top 5 offense (3rd I think).... Allen has fielded some our best defenses over the past few seasons... They both have more skins on the wall than our QB... and are far less likely to be replaced, or be the source of the issues.

There is only one move to be made realistically.

Yep, that was also a decade ago. What has he really done lately with the offense? I’m sure Payton took over the play calling after the 2012 season. Sorry, but Carmichael is a dinosaur in todays game, old and outdated.

This season, the only hope is that Payton returns to coaching so we can at least get a 1st round to draft a qb.

 

[JBofWDN]

I think it ultimately falls on the coaching. We went into this season with tons of hype and for good reason. The culture was there, the moral was there, the players were definitely there, and all the reports coming out of camp pointed to an upward trend. Then, Ceedy gets traded and the injury bug shows up...

I just don't think Allen is experienced enough as HC to manage a team experiencing adversity and transition while also taking on the new responsiblities of being head coach. I support that sentiment by pointing to his own admissions of needing to do better in specific areas for specific decisions made in-game and his over-reliance on his offensive staff's experience with this system to innovate.

As for Jameis, I think his issues have trickled down from "fluid" leadership and has affected the effectiveness of his own leadership amongst the offense. There are some big names on offense, most of whom played the majority of their careers under Brees. The expectations of the Saints QB are sky high on this roster and I'd assume so is the criticism when things are as bad as they seem, currently.

After watching the Truss Levelz episode with Jameis as guest, I tried really hard to ignore what I suspected to be some underlying "disagreeableness" between Mark and Winston. They were discussing situational football, where Mark would insist on the need for the small-ball, take-what-the-defense-gives-you approach (naturally, getting himself more involved), and Winston insisting that the offense & it's formations/personnel dictates what the defense prepares for and how to exploit that (as noted by Jameis' preference for a specific play-action package). It was pronounced to the point where Cam Jordan acted as the buffer until that part of the conversation faded into the next subject (Cam Jordan is a real leader).
Whether or not this difference of opinion really is a thing that spans across the offensive personnel, it definitely looks like confusion and not being on the same page on the field...and on the field without coaches, Winston's leadership is supposed to fix that. It hasn't. Pete's gameplanning, which includes Jameis' input, looks really bad with bad throws and half-hearted commitment to the new QB's approach/what he supposedly does well. I can only imagine that the guys who are getting open underneath and not getting the ball are frustrated knowing that they shouldve.

It's only been 3 games, but with more injuries, it's hard to see it getting much better.

 

[Domeination]

7 of 11 apply.

The offense is definitely a stop n rob for opposing defenses.

 

[boutrous]

I noticed our run defense is not as stout as it once was either.

This is an understatement. After only having 1 game where we allowed a 100 yard rusher in the last 5 years, the Saints have allowed a 100 yard rusher 2 games this year.

 

[NatureBoy]

Roster mismanagement in a multiple of ways is why we are what we are.

 

[Nolan]

I think it ultimately falls on the coaching. We went into this season with tons of hype and for good reason. The culture was there, the moral was there, the players were definitely there, and all the reports coming out of camp pointed to an upward trend. Then, Ceedy gets traded and the injury bug shows up...

I just don't think Allen is experienced enough as HC to manage a team experiencing adversity and transition while also taking on the new responsiblities of being head coach. I support that sentiment by pointing to his own admissions of needing to do better in specific areas for specific decisions made in-game and his over-reliance on his offensive staff's experience with this system to innovate.

As for Jameis, I think his issues have trickled down from "fluid" leadership and has affected the effectiveness of his own leadership amongst the offense. There are some big names on offense, most of whom played the majority of their careers under Brees. The expectations of the Saints QB are sky high on this roster and I'd assume so is the criticism when things are as bad as they seem, currently.

After watching the Truss Levelz episode with Jameis as guest, I tried really hard to ignore what I suspected to be some underlying "disagreeableness" between Mark and Winston. They were discussing situational football, where Mark would insist on the need for the small-ball, take-what-the-defense-gives-you approach (naturally, getting himself more involved), and Winston insisting that the offense & it's formations/personnel dictates what the defense prepares for and how to exploit that (as noted by Jameis' preference for a specific play-action package). It was pronounced to the point where Cam Jordan acted as the buffer until that part of the conversation faded into the next subject (Cam Jordan is a real leader).
Whether or not this difference of opinion really is a thing that spans across the offensive personnel, it definitely looks like confusion and not being on the same page on the field...and on the field without coaches, Winston's leadership is supposed to fix that. It hasn't. Pete's gameplanning, which includes Jameis' input, looks really bad with bad throws and half-hearted commitment to the new QB's approach/what he supposedly does well. I can only imagine that the guys who are getting open underneath and not getting the ball are frustrated knowing that they shouldve.

It's only been 3 games, but with more injuries, it's hard to see it getting much better.

Yeah I can see this. It's almost as if Jameis is so bent on looking for the match-up they found in the gameplan for the week that he's forgetting about his progressions. This worked with Drew because he could figure out the defense most of the time pre-snap, so sometimes it's like he's getting off of the first two reads before he even snaps the ball. Sean Payton was notorious for wanting to win pre-snap and dictate defensive looks based on what groupings and formations were put on the field. But we don't have Drew anymore to execute that niche approach. The offense should have been re-tooled to our currrent quarterbacks strengths and he needs to be coached accordingly. We won't score very many points continuing to try our old approach.

 

[SaintsBrah]

So this is tough:
Winston is not good.
Dennis Allen is not good.
Offensive line is not good.

Bad combo when your QB, O line, and play caller are bad.

 

[B4YOU]

 

[Louie18914]

Who says coaches can't be replaced? Coordinators getting fired in-season isn't uncommon. I think Pete should be fired and duties should be given to Ronald Curry, regardless of who plays quarterback.

lol

Ronald Curry was a receivers coach 2 years ago

we have incompetent offensive coaches

Pete Carmichael
Doug Marrone
Ronald Curry

all should be fired today

 

[Nolan]

I'm not going to try and argue with Deuce, but I don't think he understands what fans are unhappy about. It's tendencies. For me, it's less about what pass plays are being called versus when, and same for the run game. I'm well aware that our quarterback is missing reads on early down pass plays. But to run almost 100% of the time on 2nd and 10 after an incompletion is just madness.

 

[bobad]

I guess every coaching staff has to learn what works, and it may take a few games. I hope 3 is enough.

Right now, Jameis isn't working, and the team has no swagger. They play like old veterans trying to not get hurt.

I realize it's hard to get fired up when you're losing, but it's also hard to win when you're not fired up.

I think Dennis should grab a handful of our "team leaders", call a meeting, and tell them they're not doing their jobs. The entire NFCS took their lunch money, and they have to start hitting back. I don't care if they rally around the janitor, they need to rally around someone!

 

[Krodwhodat]

This says a lot. We only see the results of the play, not what’s going on during the play. There could be wide open receivers or hole the RB is missing. The play calling could quite possibly be a result of bad execution.

 

[Nolan]

This says a lot. We only see the results of the play, not what’s going on during the play. There could be wide open receivers or hole the RB is missing. The play calling could quite possibly be a result of bad execution.

Lack of execution is one thing, but I think the bigger problem is tipping our hand based on down and distance and giving the defense an unnecessary advantage.

 

[Clintonrebel]

The continuous taking of poles on SR is getting painful. We need some new punch lines.

 

[los226]

A man never tells another man to “take this pole”