Breaking! Sean to Denver for 2023 1st, 2024 2nd, send back a 24 3rd [MERGED] (5 Viewers)

If they were so “awful,” why did someone want to hire them?

The only people who think Loomis “caved” are Saints fans who created this unrealistic expectation of getting a Gruden deal for a coach who, unlike Gruden, wasn’t coaching.
Coaching market at the time, Just look at what they gave for them, A 4th and a 6th. Seems like they really valued them LOL. Sorry I was not thinking we were going to get a Gruden-type deal. We should have gotten a mid-round 1st and a 2nd for SP . He's gonna be a freaking HOF coach that built a great program from the ashes of a Katrina-destroyed program
 
Because he was not working for us is irrelevant, He was a valuable ASSET and should have been treated as one. And to part with that asset we should have gotten as much value as possible. We could have gotten more. He Caved
It’s relevant to everyone except Saints fans who want it to be irrelevant 😂
 
I don't believe this for a second. Do you really think Denver moves on to their plan B or C or whatever if we refuse to give them that pick? I wouldn't say there's 0% chance that happens, but it's pretty close.

100% correct. If they were set on SP from the get go, they wouldn't let a 3rd round pick screw the deal.
 
We didn’t lose a 3rd rounder. We swapped it for a second rounder.
We had a third in 2024 and no longer have it. Maybe lose was the wrong word. Should have said “we gave it away for no reason.” If Loomis had a backbone, we would have our third and their second, but he doesn’t, so we don’t. He got played like usual.
 
It’s relevant to everyone except Saints fans who want it to be irrelevant 😂
It’s 100% irrelevant because he was still under contract and wanted to get back in the game this year but could only do it if we allowed it. By any objective measure, the fact that he didn’t coach in 2022 is irrelevant to any seroius discussion of his market value. He wanted to coach another team. He could only do it if the Saints let him. That he didn’t coach in 2022 means nothing.
 
We had a third in 2024 and no longer have it. Maybe lose was the wrong word. Should have said “we gave it away for no reason.” If Loomis had a backbone, we would have our third and their second, but he doesn’t, so we don’t. He got played like usual.
Except you don't know that. None of us were in the room. None of us know what the pain inflection point was for either side. Both side gave up something significant to complete the trade. But go ahead and keep saying he has no backbone for no good reason.
 
It’s 100% irrelevant because he was still under contract and wanted to get back in the game this year but could only do it if we allowed it. By any objective measure, the fact that he didn’t coach in 2022 is irrelevant to any seroius discussion of his market value. He wanted to coach another team. He could only do it if the Saints let him. That he didn’t coach in 2022 means nothing.
It’s pretty clearly relevant. As is Payton’s salary demand (which took at least one team out of the running). As is Payton’s demands for control.

Again, you can talk about “objective measures,” but objectively, a great majority of people think Loomis did well, while a small number of subjective Saints fans who created an unrealistic expectation feel he didn’t.
 
What’s the point of bringing up anything for any thread? Discussion

What’s the point of trying to figure out what my point is? If your answer is, “I’m just curious” then take that same response and apply it to my answer to the question you just asked me

Appreciate you for taking the time to list out some of the possible reasons as to why I would ask the question.

You could literally ask anyone with that question about anything that arises on this forum: “what’s the point of bringing the mistakes this and that player made? Are you trying get everyone to go against that player? Are you trying to get everyone to think this player is bad?”

I could also take your same logic and turn it against you: do you want everyone to start calling Payton a good guy or something? I just don’t understand the point of wanting me to not bring it up.

I made my point: that was, I made a statement: I was surprised not a lot of social media brought up how fast the transition was.

Period.

It truly feels like that NO ONE can bring up a negative view on any topic on here without being questioned

Well you keep inserting the question "why isn't anyone talking about it?" in reference to Sean not wanting to be here anymore, and I'm just kinda lost as to what you're looking for. The reason it's not being discussed anymore is because it's been almost a year and it was discussed a lot after he left the team last year. And well, there's nothing new. It's old news. The reason the discussion hasn't been heavily on Sean and how fast he's returning to coaching (whether that's media, twitter, here) is because it has been discussed ad nauseum.

Your drop-in in this thread started with 'so, he was burnt out? 😉' - like what is that? Some sort of cheeky "I told you so?" to something that this entire forum already knew in the fact that he didn't want to coach here anymore? Everyone knew it wasn't a real retirement the moment his exit press conference was over.
 
Except you don't know that. None of us were in the room. None of us know what the pain inflection point was for either side. Both side gave up something significant to complete the trade. But go ahead and keep saying he has no backbone for no good reason.
I have a good reason. He gave away a draft pick we really can’t afford to give away.
 
It’s pretty clearly relevant. As is Payton’s salary demand (which took at least one team out of the running). As is Payton’s demands for control.

Again, you can talk about “objective measures,” but objectively, a great majority of people think Loomis did well, while a small number of subjective Saints fans who created an unrealistic expectation feel he didn’t.
Just because you say it’s relevant doesn’t make it so. He was under contract through 2024 whether he coached or not. Denver had to get permission to interview him whether he coached or not. He could demand a high salary and control whether he coached or not. Him pacing the sidelines last year could not be more irrelevant.

By the way, the poll on the front page shows 42% of fans on this site are unhappy with the trade. I don’t consider 58% a great majority.
 

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