Would you be okay with the Saints giving up pick 29 and future assets for Jeffrey Simmons? (1 Viewer)

[livefromDC]

So, let's give away #29, and get outbid next year when he hits FA. No thanks, draft me a DT I can have for 5 years on a manageable salary.

If you're trading a first for him, you'd be silly not to negotiate an extension with him. There isn't a DT available at #29 that's as good as him. To heck with a manageable salary, it's not your money. A manageable salary for a DT at #29 likely means a mediocre talent. If you have to ask yourself, do you want a force on the line that can help Jordan excel or do you want a place filler that helps the salary cap?

 

[livefromDC]

He would be an Unrestricted Free Agent free agent next year.

Not just would the Saint "have to pay him" we would have to have to pay him more than anyone else was willing to pay.

Giving up the 29th pick would be foolish.

If he would sign with the saints next year, why not wait 1 year, sign him next year as a UFA instead of burning a 1st round pick to get him.

Because he doesn't help the team this season if you sign him next season. Sign him to a long term contract. Good players are always cheaper now than the next year.

 

[meily]

This is not a one player away team anymore, this is a team that needs to acquire talent at multiple position which will require us using our draft capital to do so.

The Saints need bodies at DE, DT, OL, RB, WR, TE, S and CB and that is not to suggest we are lacking talent but again this team is not one impact player away from SB contention we need to build this team backup to being a contender again and the only way to do that is to have a strong first and second line.

 

[HogsNSaints]

Que the Family Guy: Mystery Box clip.

“If we really knock the 29th pick out of the park, he could be amazing! He could even be Jeffrey Simmons!”

… yes I’d rather have Jeffrey Simmons, arguably the second-third best interior d-lineman in the NFL.

 

[Saint Greg]

I’d love to have him and I’d gladly give up the pick for him. But surely he’s going to want 20-30mil/yr. I don’t think I’m willing to pay that.

 

[livefromDC]

This is not a one player away team anymore, this is a team that needs to acquire talent at multiple position which will require us using our draft capital to do so.

The Saints need bodies at DE, DT, OL, RB, WR, TE, S and CB and that is not to suggest we are lacking talent but again this team is not one impact player away from SB contention we need to build this team backup to being a contender again and the only way to do that is to have a strong first and second line.

How many players are you expecting to get with the 29th pick? Just one? Okay. You said we need DL. With that pick do you want a player as good as Simmons or just to say you drafted a DL that's probably not (given recent history of drafting DL in the 1st). Help me understand your logic. Are talking trading back? Saints rarely do that so probably not. Are you saying save the cap space for when the Saints have an opportunity to get a good player?

I think you accumulate talent when the option to accumulate talent arises. Drafting for the sake of drafting is pointless. If Simmons isn't available for #29, sure draft someone. But if he is, you're better taking advantage of that opportunity. Waiting to accumulate talent for a day that may never materialize is self-defeating. Every scenario should be case by case accumulating the best talent when you can.

 

[livefromDC]

I’d love to have him and I’d gladly give up the pick for him. But surely he’s going to want 20-30mil/yr. I don’t think I’m willing to pay that.

Good news, Greg. You don't have to! It is not our money. We get the luxury of supporting a team where the owner tries to field the best team instead of saving salary cap space. It appears that some of you would rather root for a team that hates to pay players. Ask the fans of teams who rarely spin their salary cap space how happy that makes them.

 

[Saint Greg]

Good news, Greg. You don't have to! It is not our money. We get the luxury of supporting a team where the owner tries to field the best team instead of saving salary cap space. It appears that some of you would rather root for a team that hates to pay players. Ask the fans of teams who rarely spin their salary cap space how happy that makes them.

You know what I mean. I don't want to dedicate 20-30mil in cap space to him. It's perfectly fine to have that as an opinion and this is the exact right place for me to express that opinion.

 

[msusaintsfan]

If we could sign him long term and not break the bank then yes. Dude is a beast.

 

[BRSaint225]

It’s amazing how people think we are likely to find a significant contributor at #29 at the DT position. We’ve invested in how many recent bust defensively line in the 1st round? When was the last DT we drafted in the first two rounds that panned out? I’m definitely taking the vet or investing mid to late round picks on the position

He’s right you know. I would love to get a rookie on a cheap 5 year deal that has an instant impact, but Simmons for that 29th pick which is basically a second rounder wouldn’t upset me at all as long as we immediately signed him long term. Give me someone proven. One more DL whiff and I wouldn’t be able to take it lol. That Defensive front will literally be immovable. But I’m also not opposed to drafting one and praying either.

 

[Andrus]

My initial reaction was "Absolutely!" Great player and only 25 years old. Then the devil's advocate in me entered into it. When it comes to stud Defensive Tackles with the Titans, I can't help but think of Albert Haynesworth. All world with the Titans, and then a complete bust once he hit FA and signed a 7-yr, $100 million deal with the Redskins. So that risk certainly has precedent.

Were Simmons a free agent, which he is not, I would lean towards drafting a hungry young DT instead of trying to sign him to a huge deal and skip that risk, but he has a season left on his rookie deal. If the Saints were to trade for Simmons I would bet that they wouldn't give up an early pick without working out a long term deal first being that he will be in the last year of his rookie contract, which won't be cheap! That's a gamble.

Considering the cost & risk, I would likely still take my chances with drafting a rookie DT or two instead of trading for Simmons. Sure! There are no guarantees that the draft pick/s will work out, but the same goes with Simmons as to how he performs after landing that fat 2nd contract. That being said, I wouldn't cry about it at all were the Saints to trade for him.

 

[madsaint1967]

Good news, Greg. You don't have to! It is not our money. We get the luxury of supporting a team where the owner tries to field the best team instead of saving salary cap space. It appears that some of you would rather root for a team that hates to pay players. Ask the fans of teams who rarely spin their salary cap space how happy that makes them.

This reasoning is false, we've paid the big bucks for players and how many have worked out? Me and most of the people on here know our track record signing big time names to big time contracts. Forgive us if we are gun shy about players that set new record deals for their position. With our track record, he would get here and immediately have a season ending injury, then what?

 

[livefromDC]

This reasoning is false, we've paid the big bucks for players and how many have worked out? Me and most of the people on here know our track record signing big time names to big time contracts. Forgive us if we are gun shy about players that set new record deals for their position. With our track record, he would get here and immediately have a season ending injury, then what?

We've had how many rookies have season ending injuries? So by your logic, we shouldn't draft players either. Just field a team of UDFAs maybe

 

[BRSaint225]

We've had how many rookies have season ending injuries? So by your logic, we shouldn't draft players either. Just field a team of UDFAs maybe

We had 3.5 sacks between 3 first round picks on the D line last year just abysmal. We simply have been missing on drafting D line and when we did strike on trey hendrickson we couldn’t afford him.

 

[NeverGiveUP2]

I'd love to see it. Better than anyone we could get at 29 and still young (26). I don't know how it would work for 2024 and beyond with the 20M+ per year contract we would have to give him but we for sure could fit his 2023 10.7M salary

Loomis: Hold my beer