oh jeez, so nickleback is crap, but I consider the bands I mentioned the Nicklebacks of their genres. The real issue is that you think 1 genre is artistically better than the other. The truth is all genres have Nicklebacks. Nickleback is a bastageization of what? Radio music? I think the bands I mentioned are bastageizations of indie music. So are you saying that just because a band is "indie" that it gets a pass on not just being a "scene" band? I call it the Candlebox syndrome, or if you are a bit younger you can call it the Stone Temple Pilots syndrome, or if you are even younger you can call it the Gym Class Heros syndrome... whatever, in my world, it is not only ok to hate the bands I mentioned, it is commonplace. So disagree if you want, thats is fine, but I will set my own parameters thank you.