people that own them are happy with them but they're pricey. I prefer texas style smokers myself. I use a rub called strawberry's, not sure if the site approves links to business' so I won't post it but they do have a website. I've used about every rub out there....Rudy's rub is another good one I like to use but it gets pretty expensive in the amounts I use a year. I'll use 2-3 gallons of rub a year normally. I just recently bought a bunch of spices in bulk so I can start making my own rub.