Ginsberg with Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan

I like Ginsberg.

And I have a really hard time believing that he'd flat out deny such things if there was a snowball's chance in hades that Goodell could actually prove any of it either. I'm not a lawyer but know enough about them to know that Ginsberg has certainly pressed Vilma over and over about this. The last thing a lawyer wants is to have something come back and bite them in the butt.