China: 20 tons of pig meat sold as halal to Muslims

It isn't a black vs white thing and wasn't implying such and never questioned your intentions. Just pointing out a very broad stereotype of 3 billion people. +reps, lulz. You obviously don't pay much attention to my posts on the SSF if you think I'm rep digging.

Yeah, a lot of stuff gets reversed engineered and ripped in China. You don't think American corporations wouldn't be all over it if there weren't laws heavily enforced against it? Lord knows there are enough copy cat products on the shelf as is minus the copied logo. We'd also rip China's products but even if we stole a Chinese product we'd have to outsource it right back to them just to get it produced and in this case the "knock off" would be more expensive. Besides, what do you expect when you bring a product to the other side of the world and hire a factory full of people making $1.06/hr, teach them how to mass produce it without laws and enforcement protecting intellectual property? Companies don't care about knock offs, it is the cost of doing business. They'd rather have a small amount of competition from their own products in exchange for mass production at a fraction of the cost.

The Chinese aren't trying to undermine our economy any more than we are theirs. They pegged their currency to the dollar to protect themselves. They have a vested interest in our economy because it runs theirs. The only thing in Wal-Mart not made in China is the building and only because they haven't figured out how to transport it yet.

Yep, the chinese are notorious for hacking our defense websites. I wonder if the US has ever considered doing the same? I crack myself up sometimes. We all know that the NSA, CIA, FBI and White House would never dare violate the privacy of another country. Just ask Assange and Snowden.

Do we have more to lose in the hacking war? Yep. Hard to be mad at someone while we are doing the same thing to them.


There is only one way to change China and that is by changing ourselves by buying products made in the USA, supporting local business or corporations based in the US that don't outsource and quit driving up minimum wages to the point it makes us uncompetitive in the global market. Then we need to quit borrowing from China, pay our debt and cut spending in huge chunks but nobody wants to hear that. It is easier to just blame China. Our own greed made China what it is.

Nope, I'm not pro China or anti US, simply a realist.

Now that we've covered that, I was simply stating that the people producing knock offs and the people hacking websites make up a few percent of the entire population of China.

I understand your views on China, but their government is just as dangerous to their own civilians as well as our troops. I mean, their human rights record is really bad and they are actively trying to steal our military secrets. Whether it's a shot down drone or helicopter, they are trying to get their filthy paws on it. I sure hope there is nobody you care about downrange in the next few years. I have a few troops that I supervise really close to China right now and I would hate for some reverse engineered equipment to be used against them. ZK is right about China.