Cops: Man Choked 8-Year-Old Girl in Restaurant Bathroom
Now, I don't care how many times you have to respond or refute. No need to refute this as I have no intention of coming back to this thread. I've said my piece. I am not going to change your mind and you are certainly not going to change mine. I truly hope I am wrong and this never becomes a concern.
I'm starting with this because I don't get the point of "I'm mad, I'm saying my piece and heck with anything anyone else says or brings to the table, even facts -- I'm not letting anything else factor into my opinion and that's that!!" You admit you don't know that much about transgender people or issues, but know your opinion on the issue. That makes zero sense to me.
My problem is with those people that will try to take advantage of this by just walking into a female bathroom because they can always claim they "identify" with the female gender. There are too many pervs on this planet for that scenario not to be a concern. Is something like that possible anyway without these new considerations, yes, of course. Is there a better chance of it happening now, I do believe so because of the coverage on this issue.
But honestly, think about this for a second. Before any such laws happened, how did we deal with people who were in the opposite bathroom (or people who looked like they were)? If they didn't do anything wrong, we didn't arrest them. We asked them to leave. If they refused to leave and the business/whoever escorted them out or stuck around to keep an eye on them, where's the harm? If it was really a woman, she might file a complaint. People them discuss the issue and knowledge is shared and things discussed to make it less of an issue hopefully the next time. If it wasn't really a woman, the person left. Some people's feelings might get hurt, some people might be labeled through social media (as a pariah or a hero). But we rarely heard about things like this. Why is that system so impossible now with trans bathroom laws/ordinances?
Men have ALWAYS had the ability to dress as a woman and try to enter a female bathroom or locker room (heck, teen comedies made this a staple of the genre for goodness sake). If they get caught doing something illegal -- peeping, flashing, assulting, battering, raping -- then they get caught and prosecuted. [Ok, well that's not actually true. Amazingly, many women who reported being raped or sexually assaulted in bathrooms by men were often blamed for their own assault or have the man's word taken over their own and their attacker got off scott free, no pun intended.] In 17 states and many many cities with ordinances allowing trans bathroom access, some of them for many years now, there is no increase in the amount of rapes or assaults reported. It's not that you don't have any data yet to support your view and can rely on "it's obvious it will happen once these laws are on the books" -- it's that the data that is available completely contradicts the idea being put forth.
As was already discussed, I believe people will be more gunshy about challenging someone in public because of perception. People are already ostracized because they try to hold to the beliefs that they spent their lives being taught. Why would anyone invite the inevitable public shaming that will come with the possibility of challenging a true transgender?
Right -- the same people who are protesting the laws loudly and proudly will suddenly get shy if they see someone they are uncomfortable with entering a bathroom. :9:
Now, it has also been said that regardless of the new considerations, if they do something illegal, yes, they can be prosecuted. Great, they committed a crime and hopefully they will pay for it. However, the fact of the matter is, IF - yes, IF - something does happen to a child, it can never be undone. Ever. I do not care if people are offended by a perceived discrimination - there is never, ever a good reason to increase the risk to a child. Even a small increase in risk is unacceptable.
And the thing you guys are not getting is that the NC law
*IS* increasing risk to children -- trans children. But who cares about them, right?