The Problem with Mark Ingram

Brennan77 said
I'd understand the complaint if we had ever had one running back in the Sean Payton era actually consistently produce running yards in a big way. It's just not part of the system or the philosophy. We did well on occasional years, but in those years, so did all of the running backs. The one exception was 2006 with Deuce, with an oline that Payton inherited. And things quickly changed thereafter.

My point is that within the context of a Sean Payton offense, Mark Ingram does exactly what he is asked to do and he does it consistently. He's probably the best in the league with ball security, is a very reliable receiver, is an excellent pass blocker and routinely breaks multiple tackles in the backfield to at least not lose yards. Additionally, he is by all accounts a great teammate as well. I don't think he's a particularly unique or special player. But he's absolutely part of the solution and we should be glad to have him on the Saints.

Kinda answered the main question.

The only RB to do it was Deuce who was a "special back" AND split time/touches with Reggie. The whole RB's can't get into a rhythm because of the SP system and how they are used is hogwash. Its possible but it requires a special back.

You move up to draft Ingram in the 1st because you think he'll be that RB and unfortunately he hasn't turned out to be that guy. Thats just facts but to pretend it could not be done by say a David Johnson or Leveon Bell is just a cop out and a defense mechanism that is long over used.

If Ivory was capable of Pass Blocking/being available he could have easily turned out 1k Seasons in this offense because he was a special runner. Its not only about making guys miss in the back field its about making more guys miss after that and being able to do something.

I'll leave it at this..I'm happy with the guy i have no problems with him but the constant (not enough carries)defenses and bashing of anyone that says anything remotely true is getting old. Sure the OP could have titled his thread differently but he didn't say anything that was out of bounds.

As long as Drew is QB this will never be a run first team where the RB gets 20-25 touches a game. Why would you want it to be? Or...at least until we fix the defense. When we can close out teams early and get a commanding lead(people were worrying why SP didn't just run the ball after going up 21...its because Duh we weren't stopping them and we don't have that kind of defense so he kept trying to score because we obviously needed that many points to win) with a stout defense then we can hand the ball off to Ingram 10-12 plus x's to close out game because we know our D won't turn around and give up 7-14 points in back to back series after trying to ice the game.

Perhaps its a fine line with Ingram and thats what Sean sees in him. Maybe in another year we'll really see Ingram shine or even late in the season as we get defenders back and the D starts to play tighter(if they can play tighter)

Thats the only defense I can legit use......we can't stop people from scoring so we can't give him the rock late in games because we have to keep throwing.

Fair Trade.