Giving up on the NFL. Change my mind. (1 Viewer)

Ragin Caucasian said:

With that non call, and them not rectifying the issue immediately, the NFL has pulled back the curtain on what it really is. A money machine for billionaires.

The milk has spoiled. The "product" has gone bad. The game I once loved is gone. Without integrity, what do you have?

ROFL. They won't even come out and acknowledge, or even apologize for it. They are acting like it never happened.

They are propping up a team that lost as the *"Super Bowl".

I will even say this: Had this happened to the Atlanta Falcons (a team that i have no love for at all), I would feel the exact same way.

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The took the words right out of my head!

For a long time the Govt sanctioned monopoly that is the NFL benefited from not having to compete. But now it's showing why monopolies are illegal. If you know that there is no chance of anyone knocking you off your perch you can be as greedy and corrupt as you want. And the product has suffered.

Craig Walker said:

Saints front office reads this forum. I said something once, complaining about renovation (how screwed up it was) and Mike Stanfield contacted me.

So front office: If you want to stop this, you better start raising some holy hell.

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Season Ticket Holder since 1967. After the game I told my wife that I was seriously considering dropping our season tickets. Saints Front Office knows who I am. My wife said no, she loves going to the games, even though we can't make them all.

Saints need to make a REAL stink about this, and they haven't done so. They ARE the NFL, which irks me to no end. We consider the Saints, the NEW ORLEANS Saints, the Saints consider themselves the NFL Saints. I know, money talks, but, in my opinion, next season.....instead of actually going to Los Angeles and playing the Rams, I would be in favor of the Saints forfeiting the game in protest. Especially, if it's a Prime Time Game. Just say the whole team has the black and white striped flu.

I have been reading the multiple different posts about was it human error or was this a conspiracy. Some of the members of the forum said they could never give on our team or our beautiful city. I for one love the city of New Orleans and spent the majority of my life here and continue to live here. The facts are each player, coach, assistant, etc. of each team is an employee of the NFL. As much as they puff their feathers, the NFL signs their checks and is their bread and butter. These players are not going to go against the NFL while their paychecks are still coming.

I have studied the facts both thru social media and rewatching the game. I do not believe in coincidence and the best way to hide a lie is in plain sight. Everyone has their own beliefs and I accept that. I know when money is involved with a competition, the overall love of a game is compromised.

The question I would ask anyone is, knowing that this game has a high probability of being manipulated or fixed. How could you respect or honor past and current team achievements, such as a super bowl championship or division championships knowing the outcome was favored for your team to win?

Would it be better to have hard fought losses or given empty wins?

It just went from bad, to worse in my opinion. The NFL, in an "unofficial" statement, has fined Robey-Coleman of the Rams for the helmet-to-helmet (they're not levying a fine on the contact with Josh Hill apparently) contact during the no-call.

Acknowledges there wasn't a penalty, but there was?

I'm sorry, the optics here have me completely baffled.

I'm on the fence.
May never watch football again or just support Saints.
Apparently DBs are taught to P.I. when they are beat for a T.D.
Some Saints fans have no problem with what was done to TTL.
Just the Refs.
Sure the Refs are to blame.
But if coaches teach just run the guy over in a situation like that then I have a problem.
Just cheat. If you get caught oh well.
If you dont get caught great.

Bartyboy said:

I'm on the fence.
May never watch football again or just support Saints.
Apparently DBs are taught to P.I. when they are beat for a T.D.
Some Saints fans have no problem with what was done to TTL.
Just the Refs.
Sure the Refs are to blame.
But if coaches teach just run the guy over in a situation like that then I have a problem.
Just cheat. If you get caught oh well.
If you dont get caught great.

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Well, there's the problem - the DB was willing to TAKE THE PI for the good of his team, but the Refs would NOT Give Him the PI. No Matter What He Did!

Refs: "BLATANT PI along with a BLATANT Helmet to Helmet - we don't see anything wrong! NONE of us do."

Bless my stupid, faithful, ignorant heart. I was out, totally out. Didn't want to see it, hear it, think about it. But no.

In the position two games into the new season where it was said multiple times that the refs must get it right, especially when the Saints are one of the teams we have had a blatantly bad call in each game our beloved team has played. I heard an "apology" for the clock mismanagement in game one, but I've not heard anything about the fumble recovery for a touchdown in game two even though the announcers and experts continued to denounce what had happened on the field. How many blatantly bad calls happened throughout the league yesterday? I haven't heard anything, so my bet is there was only one. And it was blatant enough to change the complexion of the game.

I love these guys, the Saints. Every last one of them. Always have, always will. But I cannot continue to abide by or watch what will surely be another fiasco presented by the league and the officials.

Change.my.mind.

Bleu Raeder said:

Bless my stupid, faithful, ignorant heart. I was out, totally out. Didn't want to see it, hear it, think about it. But no.

In the position two games into the new season where it was said multiple times that the refs must get it right, especially when the Saints are one of the teams we have had a blatantly bad call in each game our beloved team has played. I heard an "apology" for the clock mismanagement in game one, but I've not heard anything about the fumble recovery for a touchdown in game two even though the announcers and experts continued to denounce what had happened on the field. How many blatantly bad calls happened throughout the league yesterday? I haven't heard anything, so my bet is there was only one. And it was blatant enough to change the complexion of the game.

I love these guys, the Saints. Every last one of them. Always have, always will. But I cannot continue to abide by or watch what will surely be another fiasco presented by the league and the officials.

Change.my.mind.

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There's really nothing that anyone can say or do to ease the ire of Saints fans everywhere.
Either a person can tolerate the incompetent officiating of the league or they can't.
It's so sad that it happens mostly to us.

Bleu Raeder said:

Well, this is certainly a first - for me to post two new threads in the SSF in the same day (or month, or year) but this whole thing has me doubting what I have believed for over 50 years.

I love our team, the guys, what they do for the community. I love what they appear to stand for. I love my fellow fans.

But is it all in vain? Is the stress and strain of unrequited outrage really a good thing? Is the product just that, a product subject to the whims of the stockholders and leadership? A sham designed to print money but whose recent faux pass' have shead light on the people behind the curtain having an interest in only one thing?

Lord knows it would be hard but I am ready to throw in the towel on the NFL. Is that wrong?

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You want be able to. I tried and couldn’t. It’s in our DNA. Heck we stomped around Tulane Stadium. What you can do, and what I did, was dial back the emotional buy in on game day. Yesterday, I cleared trees on my land vs watching the game. I am still a fan just not a fanatic. That way my emotions don’t hinge on a referee deciding to kill a drive with a phantom holding call. Good luck.

Bleu Raeder said:

Bless my stupid, faithful, ignorant heart. I was out, totally out. Didn't want to see it, hear it, think about it. But no.

In the position two games into the new season where it was said multiple times that the refs must get it right, especially when the Saints are one of the teams we have had a blatantly bad call in each game our beloved team has played. I heard an "apology" for the clock mismanagement in game one, but I've not heard anything about the fumble recovery for a touchdown in game two even though the announcers and experts continued to denounce what had happened on the field. How many blatantly bad calls happened throughout the league yesterday? I haven't heard anything, so my bet is there was only one. And it was blatant enough to change the complexion of the game.

I love these guys, the Saints. Every last one of them. Always have, always will. But I cannot continue to abide by or watch what will surely be another fiasco presented by the league and the officials.

Change.my.mind.

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I can not change your mind.

Take this all the way back to the Bounty Gate hoax.

The league is rotten and rot starts at the top.

I give clicks and eyeballs to the Saints on this site but I will no longer give money to the league. Haven't in years and as we are now at the sunset of the Brees era, and the League still rotten and Goodell still there I don't see that changing the rest of my life.

It's gotten so hard to watch and so infuriating with the poor officiating (goes beyond the Saints) that I don't miss it. The only emotion at all is for Brees and the city.

Bleu Raeder said:

Bless my stupid, faithful, ignorant heart. I was out, totally out. Didn't want to see it, hear it, think about it. But no.

In the position two games into the new season where it was said multiple times that the refs must get it right, especially when the Saints are one of the teams we have had a blatantly bad call in each game our beloved team has played. I heard an "apology" for the clock mismanagement in game one, but I've not heard anything about the fumble recovery for a touchdown in game two even though the announcers and experts continued to denounce what had happened on the field. How many blatantly bad calls happened throughout the league yesterday? I haven't heard anything, so my bet is there was only one. And it was blatant enough to change the complexion of the game.

I love these guys, the Saints. Every last one of them. Always have, always will. But I cannot continue to abide by or watch what will surely be another shirt-show presented by the league and the officials.

Change.my.mind.

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I just wrote a "change my mind" kind of post. Let's do it [remain behind the team] for Drew.

Bleu Raeder said:

Bless my stupid, faithful, ignorant heart. I was out, totally out. Didn't want to see it, hear it, think about it. But no.

In the position two games into the new season where it was said multiple times that the refs must get it right, especially when the Saints are one of the teams we have had a blatantly bad call in each game our beloved team has played. I heard an "apology" for the clock mismanagement in game one, but I've not heard anything about the fumble recovery for a touchdown in game two even though the announcers and experts continued to denounce what had happened on the field. How many blatantly bad calls happened throughout the league yesterday? I haven't heard anything, so my bet is there was only one. And it was blatant enough to change the complexion of the game.

I love these guys, the Saints. Every last one of them. Always have, always will. But I cannot continue to abide by or watch what will surely be another fiasco presented by the league and the officials.

Change.my.mind.

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Their "apology" is in this article:

Bleu Raeder said:

Well, this is certainly a first - for me to post two new threads in the SSF in the same day (or month, or year) but this whole thing has me doubting what I have believed for over 50 years.

I love our team, the guys, what they do for the community. I love what they appear to stand for. I love my fellow fans.

But is it all in vain? Is the stress and strain of unrequited outrage really a good thing? Is the product just that, a product subject to the whims of the stockholders and leadership? A sham designed to print money but whose recent faux pass' have shead light on the people behind the curtain having an interest in only one thing?

Lord knows it would be hard but I am ready to throw in the towel on the NFL. Is that wrong?

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Your opinion is your own and i respect it.. But I've never seen one ounce of evidence that the league is out to get the Saints. If they were, they're doing a pretty pissy job.

What i see is human beings being human beings when they try to create this narrative that theres some secret dark conspiracy to sink their team because we've had some unfortunate luck lately. Folks will downvote and clown this into oblivion, but at the end of the day is it telling that it ends there? Without any substantive evidence as i said? I get the group mentality here, but i can't join in the pack if i feel like it isn't reflecting reality. Heck, wouldn't the Browns or some other terrible team with terrible luck have a better argument anyway?

We lost Drew early... Had we had him the entire game, i think we'd have won. Our defense was killing it most of the game until us being on the field for so long got to us and they broke a few open.

hakimdropsthebal said:

What i see is human beings being human beings when they try to create this narrative that theres some secret dark conspiracy to sink their team because we've had some unfortunate luck lately.

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I don’t think the refs are conspiring against us, but I’m not as sure of that as I used to be.

My problem is just that the officiating is so bad the product is difficult to watch. You can get subjective calls wrong, but clock management and letting a play go aren’t supposed to be subjective.

I’m a really, really big sports fan, so I watch a lot of different sports. Part of what makes football so entertaining is the importance of each single play. But to get so many calls so blatantly wrong really hurts the integrity of the game. When I watch any other sport right now, even college football, I’m much more convinced that the better team/player won.

For the NFL to be making as much money as they do, and have the worst officiating, its just sad.

hakimdropsthebal said:

Your opinion is your own and i respect it.. But I've never seen one ounce of evidence that the league is out to get the Saints. If they were, they're doing a pretty pissy job.

What i see is human beings being human beings when they try to create this narrative that theres some secret dark conspiracy to sink their team because we've had some unfortunate luck lately. Folks will downvote and clown this into oblivion, but at the end of the day is it telling that it ends there? Without any substantive evidence as i said? I get the group mentality here, but i can't join in the pack if i feel like it isn't reflecting reality. Heck, wouldn't the Browns or some other terrible team with terrible luck have a better argument anyway?

We lost Drew early... Had we had him the entire game, i think we'd have won. Our defense was killing it most of the game until us being on the field for so long got to us and they broke a few open.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but exactly what kind of "substantive evidence" would you have to see? It is now 3 straight games in which the Saints have been victimized by terrible officiating errors that cost us a trip to the SB one game and points in the other two. How many games is too many? What if it happens in 8 consecutive games? Just curious what you would think then.

By the way, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but denying there's a pattern is ignoring reality.