How did I miss this story? (Ahmaud Arbery shooting in Georgia)[MERGED]

guidomerkinsrules said
but does it make you more likely to rationalize the hunter?

this whole rivulet of the thread has been about whether 2 almost certainly racist, murders are indicative of the group that they almost certainly identify with or are they an aberrant outlier and all other white people are race loving hippies

the poster who brought the "only 2 guys and maybe not racist" into the thread wanted the small sample size to somehow prove that the larger pool of white people were not indicated and i was pointing that if the 2 yokels didn't prove anything negative about wypipo, it equally did not prove anything positive either

i guess i want to make the statement that if you are not doing good than you can't claim to be good - so whereas bystanders aren't doing 'bad' per se, they are not doing good when the opportunity presents itself
so at the very least, the idea that the yokels fall well outside 'us decent folk' is a bit muddy, and certainly nothing that has and FACTS to back it up

it doesn't make me rationalize the hunter because if we allow our actions to be guided solely by instinct we are no better than animals (philosophically speaking). I brought up the Clery Act earlier because it was an attempt at an objective set of criteria for proving an action was racist. Unless we find a manifesto, we certainly can't say with 100% certainty, but I would certainly be willing to convict on it being a racist crime based on what I have seen so far if I were on the jury

to the bolded part, it isn't about being a negative statement versus a positive one. IMO not being racist isn't a positive....its more of a neutral. I am not doing anything positive by not being racist. It's just the way it should be. Twice in my life I have had a gun pointed at me and both times the guy who did it was black....one of those times the gun was pressed against my temple while a second black man pressed a gun against my wife's head and threatened to blow her brains out. Should I extract something about black people in general based on those incidents (especially the second one)? I don't assume that black people are out to get me because of those incidents and it isn't the job of other black people to do something about those individuals.

and your argument about bystanders isn't right either...there are complicated psychological factors that occur in an individual's brain during a crisis situation. I don't know that I am necessarily understanding your point about bystanders tho. But you are bringing up this idea of 'good' and that is a very relative term. People have different ideas of 'good' and how much 'good' different actions represent