NFL to play 'Lift Every Voice and Sing' before National Anthem in Week 1 (1 Viewer)

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tak said:
For me personally as a black American I don't want special treatment like this. Do we need to have an Anthem for every race that's in America? One Anthem shows we're United under one flag one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. This "woke" attempt is a weak attempt to have people buy into a cause that is polluted with politics. This is causing more division than it is helping at all.
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do you realize that part of what you just quoted from the National Anthem was added mid-twentieth century as “special treatment” for Catholics?

That it was “a cause polluted with politics”?

And yet not only do you seem to be okay with it, you’re using it to support your point.

Which primarily serves to undermine what you wrote and argued for.
 
Oye said:
this country is still pretty segregated... it was that way in the Jim Crow South and it was that way when those Blacks fled to the north and were compartmentalized into ghettos, by explicit urban design

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and in US schools, this is particularly the case:

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Twenty Years After Busing Ended, School Segregation Is Back

"Separate was never equal."
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yea and people like Biden were against bringing everyone together. i think his exact words in front of congress was he didnt want his kids to go to school in an "urban jungle". what a sick man..
 
gregh said:
yea and people like Biden were against bringing everyone together. i think his exact words in front of congress was he didnt want his kids to go to school in an "urban jungle". what a sick man..
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SaintsSupremacy said:
I get that we are protesting the overreach of police in this country and everything but why in the heck is the NFL getting involved in politics?

Do they realize that this is not a friendly gesture to black individuals but a divisive one? The Star Spangled Banner is already the NATIONAL ANTHEM for all Americans. Last time I checked, black Americans are AMERICANS.

By doing this, it totally justifies the question: What about an asian national anthem, or a native american rain dance (for the redskins), or even.... a white national anthem. Imagine that.

Do we really want to sow actual segregation in this country? Am I losing my mind or is this country actually becoming MORE segregated?!
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I bet you didn't know this is the star spangled banner:


And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out of of their foul footsteps' pollution
No refuge could save the hireling and slave'
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
 
Madmarsha said:
Thanks for the mansplain. I'll just let the gentleman speak for himself.

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My response had nothing to do with you being a woman and I really only noticed who posted it when you responded. It was a polite response that pointed out that cherry picking a few people who disagree with something, and then assuming that everyone of their race agrees with it, is illogical and may not reflect reality. Moreover it's the kind of dangerous stereotyping that contributed to the types of things discussed by BLM. Why you think the fact that one man, who happens to be black, thinks you can have equality in the face of "separate but equal" is beyond me. And, you said it was "African American people" and that's just one guy.

But, I mean, if you disagree with my reasoning, feel free to mansplain to me why I'm wrong.
 
gregh said:
lwell thats 2 different national anthems being played so...
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It is another country’s national anthem and is played in a reciprocal way, as the Canadians do for the U.S. anthem. So what about all other anthems? Black anthem? What country is that? It is specific to a RACE, not a country and pure stupidity by Goodell! He is doing an excellent job of creating more divisiveness. Imagine IF the stadiums were full of fans what the outcome would be. Most whites and many non blacks, would sit for the black anthem and the majority of blacks would sit for the national anthem. So what did Goodell do?
 
tak said:
For me personally as a black American I don't want special treatment like this.
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This, (playing Lift every voice and sing for the first week) is not special treatment. This is condescension.
tak said:
Do we need to have an Anthem for every race that's in America?
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We don't. Lift Every Voice and Sing was first called the Negro National Anthem by the NAACP because of its " power in voicing a cry for liberation and affirmation for African-American people. Some of the words of poem that the national anthem is based on don't sit well with some of us.
tak said:
One Anthem shows we're United under one flag one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
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I agree that one anthem can show all those things but lets not kid ourselves. If you are talking about the wrong "God" as in Allah you are going to run into some resistance. Liberty and justice FOR ALL is exactly why the players were protesting in the first place. I mean even in 2020, Barack Obama, one of the most popular politicians and presidents in recent history is still just a n-word to some people in this country.
tak said:
This "woke" attempt is a weak attempt to have people buy into a cause that is polluted with politics.
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Why do you think that the protests (I'm not going to even call it the BLM movement because it's bigger than just Black lives at this point) are polluted with politics? This isn't about politics. This is about justice. This movement is about holding America accountable for what it claims to be. Do you care to elaborate on why you believe it to be polluted with politics?
tak said:
This is causing more division than it is helping at all.
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By "This" I take it that you mean the NFL's face flop stunt to play Lift Every Voice and Sing for the first week.
 
St. Widge said:
My response had nothing to do with you being a woman and I really only noticed who posted it when you responded. It was a polite response that pointed out that cherry picking a few people who disagree with something, and then assuming that everyone of their race agrees with it, is illogical and may not reflect reality. Moreover it's the kind of dangerous stereotyping that contributed to the types of things discussed by BLM. Why you think the fact that one man, who happens to be black, thinks you can have equality in the face of "separate but equal" is beyond me. And, you said it was "African American people" and that's just one guy.

But, I mean, if you disagree with my reasoning, feel free to mansplain to me why I'm wrong.
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Just stop. I'm not going to debate what you meant, what I meant, or whether we understood each other. I'm going to let the man's words speak for themselves.
 
Super44 said:
Something is only bait, in the eyes of those that perceive something specifically as such. Your call.
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When I was a kid, I fished all the time.

I remember being at Toledo Tackle in Many, Louisiana - my favorite place in the world from the ages of 8 to 13 - and we were getting bait. I was playing around with the catfish bait - the kind that came in the bag and smelled really, really awful.

So, one day I was messing around with a new spinner bait in the middle of the store and ripped a seam in the bag of catfish. It spilled out everywhere and the smell hit the entire place. It was clear to everyone that there was bait there.

Anyway, reading that post, I got a comparable whiff of bait as that day in the tackle shop.
 
LAhotsauce said:
There were many African Americans during the 1960s that called MLK a trouble maker. Said he was only dividing the country further and stoking more racial tension. Said the best way was quietly through the court system.

Which would have achieved civil rights on its own right about now? Maybe?

Very wise those people were.
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Black people, like white people, are not monolithic. Some of us see the BLM one way and then some of us see it another way and I think that might be based on the way we've experienced being black in America. Or maybe because we have yet to really experienced being black in America. Me personally, I experienced it at a young age. Being both arrogant and naive, I thought I could protect my son from it until later in life. Sadly, he experienced it at an even earlier age than myself. I'm actually quite happy for those folks who have yet to truly experience their blackness. It's something when you do.
 

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