Official Wrasslin' Thread (renamed to reflect the discussion)

Fair enough. Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

But I would still push back on the way you are characterizing the Ambrose and Moxley characters. While they certainly have some things in common (it is the same guy, after all), they are hardly the same. If “Dean Ambrose” had creative freedom with his promos and character direction, then yes, he would most likely (essentially) be Jon Moxley.

But that’s the point, he didn’t have that freedom, so they are very different characters.

Dean Ambrose was wearing gas masks because “the fans smell bad”, getting inoculations in his bare butt (on camera) for the same reason, and mocking co-workers/friends because they have Leukemia.

Whereas New Japan and AEW Moxley is the perfect babyface badass (he is especially a babyface in AEW) and even his worst promo in the past couple of years is better than his best Dean Ambrose promo.

So, probably the last time I paid any attention to Dean Ambrose, he was getting thrown around like a rag doll by Lesnar in their feud. So, doing the math on that, would that have been 2017? 2018?

Everything you're describing does sound awful......and I'm assuming that was part of an ill-fated heel turn that must have occurred sometime later.