But, beyond that, as hard as it is for me to say it as an LSU fan, I think some of the issues with LSU players may have been character which is clearly very important to Payton and Loomis. There were clearly some very bad things going on with the program off the field under Les Miles and I think the Saints being so close probably had some idea that these guys should have gotten in a lot more trouble than they did and were aware of some attitude issues. Hopefully that has changed, but it takes awhile to change the culture around a program.