Car Dealerships- i just...

Consumer reports used to do a great little report on a vehicle. For 15$ or so, you could get the manufacturer invoice by zip code for as specific vehicle. You'd need the option codes for it but it was very detailed. When I used it, I knew the vehicle had 600 in holdback and I offered 100$ over invoice leaving the holdback for them. Brought a 22k ish sticker to 17.5k. Warned them that i'd get up and walk off they tried VIN etching or mysterious coating scams in finance. I also walked in with a approved loan at a rate I was happy with large enough to cover the sale price. I always give them the chance to beat that rate but they usually can't unless you work in some more down payment.

Last time I tried to get the consumer report, it sent me to true car which is not nearly the same.