Hill vs Siemian why is there a debate?

Saintamaniac said
No, I respectfully disagree. First and foremost, I'm not going to separate people into groups of Jameis and Hill supporters. I support what I feel is best for the team.

I think you mischaracterize people who defended Winston's play. Those folks, including myself, felt it wasn't fair to Winston to judge his play with complete disregard to the injuries to the Oline and the inexperience of the WR group and that was it. Very few people were overlooking unwise decisions that Winston made where he got lucky and didn't hurt the team.

The people who were being overly critical of Winston refused to take that into consideration and actually used that as a basis for being critical of Winston. It would be the height of hypocrisy to now take those into consideration to excuse any mistakes made by Hill.

I explained my reasonings previously. No, I intend to apply the same standards previously set by those who were critical of Winston's play. It's not necessary to take into consideration Oline injuries or WR talent to evaluate Hill. If he can't maintain the offensive production and keep the TO's to a minimum then by the standard that has been set, it's his fault and his shortcomings as a QB that will be responsible.

You don't get to claim hypocrisy for using previously established metrics. if it was acceptable to criticize Winston and disregard those things, it will be acceptable to criticize Hill and disregard those things. It's as simple as that. And if the people who were critical of Winston suddenly go quiet, THEN you will have the hypocrisy you mentioned.

I'm saying I'm going to apply the same standard that has been established for being critical of the QB position this year. Nothing more, nothing less.

I don't think many people had complete disregard to the injuries and the inexperienced WRs. People understood the whole absolute mess surrounding the Carolina game, for example. And contrary to what you said, there were definitely very vocal people when it came to trying to squash any and all negative talk about Winston. "OMG! Why are you still talking about that play? That was last week. Get over it already." You are going to be cool with people having that attitude toward Taysom's mistakes, too, right?

You said you plan on applying the same standards previously set by those who were critical of Winston's play. Well, here is where we find more hypocrisy if you don't understand someone else saying, "I plan on applying the same standards previously set by those who were so defensive of Winston's play." You said that you don't put people into groups, but you are picking a side's criteria on which to go forward in judging the QB. Why choose the hypercritical side toward Winston in judging Taysom and not the hyper-defensive side? The hypocrisy still abounds.

BoNcHiE said
A lot happened after August 4th. By the 2nd preseason game, it wasn't even a question anymore. They barely practice in pads during training camp.

That was just one tweet I pulled. There were articles the day before the first pre-season game still talking about how tight the competition was. And I don't know why you brought up the second pre-season game like that after I more than once said that was when Jameis had the starting job rightfully locked up (after the two TDs to Callaway).